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  1. azpilot61

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    I have been having telemetry drops about 1000' out intermittently when flying around the neighborhood. Yesterday evening decided to open up the controller and pull out the other 2.4 antenna to the outside of the ST16. While in there I replaced the 3 internal cables with a better RG178 cable that really snaps hard into the connectors on the board.

    This morning I took her out to 2200' with no telemetry loss at all and everything was rock solid.

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  2. SneakinUpOnU

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    Can you post where you got your cables and what part numbers you used? I need to do the same.
     
  3. azpilot61

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    #3 azpilot61, Oct 9, 2016
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  4. Joneshd3488

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    azpilot,
    I'm using FPVLR antennas already but still having telemetry dropouts at about 1500' flying around my neighborhood as well. Granted, I have to deal wit 60' treetops all round me, but I never lose VLOS.

    If you could please post where I can get comparable parts as well as your steps to install on the H and ST16, I'd be truly grateful as I must do something to improve this issue. Thanks!
     
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  6. azpilot61

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    Here is the video I followed for moving the other 2.4 antenna outside the ST16



    And the cables

    RP-SMA female with 200mm (8 inches) RG178 cable + IPEX-MHF(U.FL) connector
     
  7. azpilot61

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    Temp setup, its the only extra antenna I have at the moment. Waiting on new ones.
     
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    I'm calling BS. There's no way you are maintaining directional control and airframe orientation via LOS at 1500'. You might be able to see a black speck in the sky but you are using the view screen for navigation. That's not in compliance with LOS regulations.


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  9. ArnhemAnt

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    Richard does a great job in this video. I have watched that many times. I have also ordered all the parts (for the H and the ST16) from Carlos. They should be here in another few weeks, then I can do the upgrades.
     
  10. azpilot61

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    It was a lot easier than it looks
     
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  13. Joneshd3488

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    Then you'd be proved wrong. Though I am flying a CCC mission at that distance, I am able to track my H every step of the way. And, I never stated I wasn't looking at my screen. VLOS states only that you are able too see your bird, not how you control it.
     
  14. SneakinUpOnU

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    I have not modified the ST16 yet although I still plan to do so. For the time being the replacement antenna seems to have improved the signal. There are some remote unpopulated areas I can only reach from the air and I've maintained telemetry and video at over 3000'. I am using this antenna for video and so far it has been much better than the stock mushroom.
    5 Turn Helical 5.8Ghz Antenna, for FPV - LHCP, SMA
     
  16. PatR

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    Using the following it would be interesting to see how a case turned out for careless and reckless operation of an aircraft. The phrase "such as" does not mean "limited to".


    73 FR 46803. The

    statute does not require FAA to exempt

    model aircraft from those rules because

    those rules are not specifically regarding

    model aircraft. On the other hand, a

    model aircraft operated pursuant to the

    terms of section 336 would potentially

    be excepted from a UAS aircraft

    certification rule, for example, because

    of the limitation on future rulemaking

    specifically ‘‘regarding a model aircraft,

    or an aircraft being developed as a

    model aircraft.’’ Public Law 112–95,

    section 336(a). The FAA interprets the

    section 336 rulemaking prohibition as

    one that must be evaluated on a rule-by-

    rule basis.

    Although the FAA believes the

    statutory definition of a model aircraft is

    clear, the FAA provides the following

    explanation of the meanings of ‘‘visual

    line of sight’’ and ‘‘hobby or recreational

    purpose,’’ terms used in the definition

    of model aircraft, because the FAA has

    received a number of questions in this

    area.

    By definition, a model aircraft must

    be ‘‘flown within visual line of sight of

    the person operating the aircraft.’’

    Public Law 112–95, section 336(c)(2).

    1

    Based on the plain language of the

    statute, the FAA interprets this

    requirement to mean that: (1) The

    aircraft must be visible at all times to

    the operator; (2) that the operator must

    use his or her own natural vision (which

    includes vision corrected by standard

    eyeglasses or contact lenses) to observe

    the aircraft; and (3) people other than

    the operator may not be used in lieu of

    the operator for maintaining visual line

    of sight. Under the criteria above, visual

    line of sight would mean that the

    operator has an unobstructed view of

    the model aircraft. To ensure that the

    operator has the best view of the

    aircraft, the statutory requirement

    would preclude the use of vision-

    enhancing devices, such as binoculars,

    night vision goggles, powered vision

    magnifying devices, and goggles

    designed to provide a ‘‘first-person

    view’’ from the model.

    2

    Such devices

    would limit the operator’s field of view

    thereby reducing his or her ability to

    see-and-avoid other aircraft in the area.

    Additionally, some of these devices

    could dramatically increase the distance

    at which an operator could see the

    aircraft, rendering the statutory visual-

    line-of-sight requirements meaningless.

    Finally, based on the plain language of

    the statute, which says that aircraft must

    be ‘‘flown within the visual line of sight

    of the

    person operating the aircraft,

    ’’ an

    operator could not rely on another

    person to satisfy the visual line of sight

    requirement.

    See id.

    (emphasis added).

    While the statute would not preclude

    using an observer to augment the safety

    of the operation, the operator must be

    able to view the aircraft at all times.
     
  17. Rubik

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    I can't stand it! I crashed my TH into a tree yesterday because I was looking at it with my eyes and misjudged the relative distances due to parallax issues. If I had be watching the screen on the ST16, I would have noticed that the bird was headed straight for the tree... It wasn't even very far a way from me, say 100 ft. or so. I broke 2 motor arms, a third won't latch. One of the landing gear has too much play in it (broken gear?). The camera gimbal broke off at the body guide rails. All blades are broken. I think the gimbal and camera are still in working order. The ND filter shattered but possibly saved the camera lens. I have a lot of repair work to do. I've been flying and loving my TH since June with dozens of successful flights. A few of my videos are posted on YouTube (Rubik3x). My point is that VLOS does not always equal safer flying. Once in the air, safe control of the drone should INCLUDE watching the screen too.
     
  18. Steve Carr

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    I see no reason not to use both.