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Exactly, I know some graphic designers that will work only by hand and in some markets compete with others using massive investment in equipment. These equipment guys would laugh at the ones who work by hand saying they have no pro equipment, but guess what, with no pro equipment they take work from the guys with all the bells and whistles. To make art I guess the most expensive brush do not equate to the best picture.
Again, it DEPENDS ON THE JOB!

If you have a friend that does graphic design and only works by hand then he will never be able to do a logo that covers the side of an entire building or the side of a bus unless he's really good at converting to vector images.

It's not about what is right or wrong. I don't believe in that when it comes to art. I believe in art first but you need to get the equipment for the job. Simple as that.
 
You are actually agreeing with what I said if that was directed at me.

A rose by any other name... Calling it professional or not is not the thing, but if you're making money with a camera at this price point, you better be getting jobs that make sense for it. That's all I'm saying and to expect an exceptional camera on a $1200 UAS, you're going to be disappointed but if it does its job, great!

If you need a flying machine that flies more like the H over the P4, then get it. I think the P4 has a better camera but not so much better that you should get it over the H if you like the H better.

If I was forced to pick one and only one, id probably get the 4 (I'm including the Inspire [unless it has the x5 or x5r or z3]) but with the x3, my choice is the P4.

To each his own though but if I need to shoot something really professional, I shoot it on a full frame camera that shoots RAW (on the ground and in the air). But I have access to it and I get jobs that require it (sometimes). Soon my show will start again (August) and then I'm only flying for fun mostly anyway.

****, sometimes I just like to take my Syma and its 20 batteries and fly all day at the park and worry about nothing. Often I think it's more fun to fly then all of them.
Yes, I am agreeing, but also wanted to highlight that people can make money with cheaper equipment. There are both people who think these platforms would be perfect for the next installation of star wars, and those that think you couldn't film a kid's birthday party with a C300.
 
Again, it DEPENDS ON THE JOB!

If you have a friend that does graphic design and only works by hand then he will never be able to do a logo that covers the side of an entire building or the side of a bus unless he's really good at converting to vector images.

It's not about what is right or wrong. I don't believe in that when it comes to art. I believe in art first but you need to get the equipment for the job. Simple as that.
Well, your view that art is a job, kind of limits you in perspective.
If we are talking about professional or not, if my friend wants to put his work forward, for going on the side of a bus he can hire a technician to do a transfer. Both are professionals in their trades.
My friend does not need to scale works to put on the side of busses to be considered professional, his works fit nicely in books etc, and believe me he is a professional and his tools are exactly the same as every other amateur.
You don't have to look far, to see nicely put together wedding videos done by our "amateur" equipment or survey work also done by our amateur equipment, all which pays and is exactly what a client is wishing to achieve is professional use of our equipment.
 
Well, your view that art is a job, kind of limits you in perspective.
If we are talking about professional or not, if my friend wants to put his work forward, for going on the side of a bus he can hire a technician to do a transfer. Both are professionals in their trades.
My friend does not need to scale works to put on the side of busses to be considered professional, his works fit nicely in books etc, and believe me he is a professional and his tools are exactly the same as every other amateur.
You don't have to look far, to see nicely put together wedding videos done by our "amateur" equipment or survey work also done by our amateur equipment, all which pays and is exactly what a client is wishing to achieve is professional use of our equipment.
I specifically mentioned wedding videos as a thing that you could make money off of.

I also separated by words the art and the job. You CANNOT GET a job shooting with an H or a 4 on a professional telsvision broadcast because the h.264 would be rejected even if you tried to cover it up by transcoding. Broadcast quality work requires a broadcast quality camera. This is just the truth. There is no discussion or argument about it.

I never said you can't make money with the H or the 4.
 
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I specifically mentioned wedding videos as a thing that you could make money off of.

I also separated by words the art and the job. You CANNOT GET a job shooting with an H or a 4 on a professional telsvision broadcast because the h.264 would be rejected even if you tried to cover it up by transcoding. Broadcast quality work requires a broadcast quality camera. This is just the truth. There is no discussion or argument about it.

I never said you can't make money with the H or the 4.
Right, so if you can make money off it, you can earn a living off it, therefore that is professional use of it. You don't need to shoot for cinema anymore than you need to put graphics on a bus not in a book to be considered professional.
It's not the tool that counts in regard to professional, think about it for a moment what Professional means - Profession - something that you make your living from, - the equipment you use be it a stick or $4000 lens you like to brag about is professional equipment if you earn your living from it.
 
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Right, so if you can make money off it, you can earn a living off it, therefore that is professional use of it. You don't need to shoot for cinema anymore than you need to put graphics on a bus not in a book to be considered professional.
It's not the tool that counts in regard to professional, think about it for a moment what Professional means - Profession - something that you make your living from, - the equipment you use be it a stick or $4000 lens you like to brag about is professional equipment if you earn your living from it.
Yeah but using the Illistrator example, if you don't use vector images, you can't blow up the logo to an infinite size. It's as simple as that.

If you take a rasterized image from photoshop and make it 20 stories, it will look unrecognizeable. If you take a vector image, as a logo should be, since it is a vector (matematical) image, there is no limit to the size.
 
Yeah but using the Illistrator example, if you don't use vector images, you can't blow up the logo to an infinite size. It's as simple as that.

If you take a rasterized image from photoshop and make it 20 stories, it will look unrecognizeable. If you take a vector image, as a logo should be, since it is a vector (matematical) image, there is no limit to the size.
Lot's of if's...the world ai'nt square, not every client needs vector images.
 
Lot's of if's...the world ai'nt square, not every client needs vector images.
Ugh. I'm out.

I was responding to someone, I don't even remember who or when that said they don't use Illistrator and to each his own when it comes to art.

I was agreeing and saying something to the tune that you can make music blowing in a bottle and knocking sticks on a rock but not electronic music just as you can't make a building muriel not using a vector image or a VERY LARGE rasterized image.

That's it! Nothing more.
 
Besides the $900 price tag already mentioned, it fits the Inspire ($2000 and up) or the Matrice 600 ($4500). not the Phantom 4.
I'm not trying to compare the P4 to the H in any way other price point.

$1000-$2000 drones are considered Prosumer drones. Which means that about as many people buy them for commercial uses as recreational.
On the commercial side of things adding a $900 camera is not out of the question.

I was told Yuneec was looking at making different cameras for the H. what they will be is anyone's guess, but an optical zoom option would be nice.

I know some may say that true professionals wouldn't have a Typhoon H. I know a few and they all own several drones of different levels. generally a P3, P4, Inspire, and a Matrice 600/S900/S1000.... Depending on the Job often use the Inspire or Phantoms. One friend of mine is looking at the H to add to his stable. Like me he really likes the 360 gimabal, and that's its a Hexcopter at a Phantom price.

Just some food for thought.
 
Besides the $900 price tag already mentioned, it fits the Inspire ($2000 and up) or the Matrice 600 ($4500). not the Phantom 4.
I'm not trying to compare the P4 to the H in any way other price point.

$1000-$2000 drones are considered Prosumer drones. Which means that about as many people buy them for commercial uses as recreational.
On the commercial side of things adding a $900 camera is not out of the question.

I was told Yuneec was looking at making different cameras for the H. what they will be is anyone's guess, but an optical zoom option would be nice.

I know some may say that true professionals wouldn't have a Typhoon H. I know a few and they all own several drones of different levels. generally a P3, P4, Inspire, and a Matrice 600/S900/S1000.... Depending on the Job often use the Inspire or Phantoms. One friend of mine is looking at the H to add to his stable. Like me he really likes the 360 gimabal, and that's its a Hexcopter at a Phantom price.

Just some food for thought.
I'll NEVER understand why anyone would want an optical zoom unless it's like a telephoto. 3.5x zoom, just go forward with your bird.

I mean people on the ground spend lots and lots of money so they don't have to zoom in but rather PUSH in because zooming is for changing focal distance. Focal distance that high isn't gonna make a huge difference. Just use the dolly in the sky and go forward and bam, optical zoom and not 70s porn zoom. Unless you want to record a zoom (you don't unless you're trying to get an effect to make it look like the 70s, like the movie Blow for instance), there is no need for a tiny optical zoom since you have a dolly in the sky!!!!

If you keep asking, they will give it to you and you will pay for it but it makes no sense. A gigapixel camera or a super telephoto lens, yes. But a 3.5x optical zoom on a 20mm lens is goofy beyond words IMO.

And for those that want digital zoom, just stop now.
 
I'll NEVER understand why anyone would want an optical zoom unless it's like a telephoto. 3.5x zoom, just go forward with your bird.

I mean people on the ground spend lots and lots of money so they don't have to zoom in but rather PUSH in because zooming is for changing focal distance. Focal distance that high isn't gonna make a huge difference. Just use the dolly in the sky and go forward and bam, optical zoom and not 70s porn zoom. Unless you want to record a zoom (you don't unless you're trying to get an effect to make it look like the 70s, like the movie Blow for instance), there is no need for a tiny optical zoom since you have a dolly in the sky!!!!

If you keep asking, they will give it to you and you will pay for it but it makes no sense. A gigapixel camera or a super telephoto lens, yes. But a 3.5x optical zoom on a 20mm lens is goofy beyond words IMO.

And for those that want digital zoom, just stop now.

How about filming a sporting event and can't get close enough to the action for safety reasons. For me it would be motorsports, or even other aircraft. in some cases a little bit of Zoom could help.

I never mentioned digital zoom. If you are okay with that then just do it in post.
 
How about filming a sporting event and can't get close enough to the action for safety reasons. For me it would be motorsports, or even other aircraft. in some cases a little bit of Zoom could help.

You get into stability problems with the platform not to mention sensor performance. A long zoom on a drone is a really, really bad idea.
 
I have to agree with DerStig here, zoom or telephoto lens require a stable mount and I think you would be opening a new can of worms here. Photos and video will not be sharp.
You get into stability problems with the platform not to mention sensor performance. A long zoom on a drone is a really, really bad idea.
 
You get into stability problems with the platform not to mention sensor performance. A long zoom on a drone is a really, really bad idea.

I didn't say long zoom. I said a little zoom, you said long zoom. :)

Hexcopters are stable camera platforms and even the Little H is stable enough for a little zoom 2 or 3x would be great.

I have to agree with DerStig here, zoom or telephoto lens require a stable mount and I think you would be opening a new can of worms here. Photos and video will not be sharp.

Don't tell that to DJI since they are selling that $900 camera with zoom (OP) to fit the Inspire a quadcopter.

Don't get me wrong I agree a lot of zoom would create all sorts of challenges. Even if you could keep it stable, tracking anything moving would be very difficult. But I never said a lot of Zoom. We are talking about a camera like the DJI camera at the beginning of this post which has a 3.5 Optical zoom.
It's not for everyone but that doesn't mean it can't be done.
Believe it or not it works this is not the first zoom lens put on a Drone camera.

Just my $0.02
 
I didn't say long zoom. I said a little zoom, you said long zoom. :)

Hexcopters are stable camera platforms and even the Little H is stable enough for a little zoom 2 or 3x would be great.



Don't tell that to DJI since they are selling that $900 camera with zoom (OP) to fit the Inspire a quadcopter.

Don't get me wrong I agree a lot of zoom would create all sorts of challenges. Even if you could keep it stable, tracking anything moving would be very difficult. But I never said a lot of Zoom. We are talking about a camera like the DJI camera at the beginning of this post which has a 3.5 Optical zoom.
It's not for everyone but that doesn't mean it can't be done.
Believe it or not it works this is not the first zoom lens put on a Drone camera.

DJI is doing a 3.5x optical the 2x digital zoom is 1080p only Don't forget in a lens this small the f-stop is going to float in DJI's application its going from a f/2.8 at the wide to a f/5.6 at the tele end

Here's Yuneec's implementation of a zoom..... It's hilariously bad

 
Huh, if 3x optical on a hex is hilariously bad, then 3.5x with 2x digital on a quad is going to be a laugh riot of terribleness
 
DJI is doing a 3.5x optical the 2x digital zoom is 1080p only Don't forget in a lens this small the f-stop is going to float in DJI's application its going from a f/2.8 at the wide to a f/5.6 at the tele end

Here's Yuneec's implementation of a zoom..... It's hilariously bad


DJI 3.5 Optical zoom is 4K... Personally I don't care about digital zoom, never use it on any of my cameras.

thanks for sharing a nice example of a poorly shot badly edited video.
Any camera can loose auto focus while zooming especially a fast zoom. I think 18X zoom is way to much zoom for a moving platform. If the camera operator was smoother with the zoom controls, zooming in smoothly, slower, and not as much zoom, It might have been better. Or all the bad shots could have been removed in post.
Zoom does not replace a dolly shot.

 
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One thing folks are forgetting (or not recognizing) is that DJI has been selling (and improving) drones much longer than Yuneec. Improvements always come, but it takes time. You can't expect a "newer" company to jump to the top of the heap. I have both one of the original DJI Phantoms and the H. The Phantom 4 is a totally different beast than the original Phantom 1. The H will also grow and improve, but just not overnight. To me, the H is a great platform, but the initial camera/firmware is a weak point that is hurting it's rollout. No Phantom (or Inspire for that matter) will survive a motor failure - period. I think that Yuneec was spot on with the hex configuration and the modular nature of the H's design. Give this platform some leaway to mature and I think it will be one of the best for the money (it already is - sorta).
 
I'm just tossing this out there and I know it would not go on the Typhoon H but does anyone know much about the Black Magic Micro Cinema 4K? Looks like it would be great for video under a Hexacopter. I'm not sure how you control it but I would think it would work well and the price is not bad. Only weighs 11oz. for the body.
Blackmagic Design: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K Tech Specs
 
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I'm just tossing this out there and I know it would not go on the Typhoon H but does anyone know much about the Black Magic Micro Cinema 4K? Looks like it would be great for video under a Hexacopter. I'm not sure how you control it but I would think it would work well and the price is not bad. Only weighs 11oz. for the body.
Blackmagic Design: Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4K Tech Specs

There are lots of great answers out there, if they would just open up the design for third party support.
 

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