Classifieds?

[Aero-Dynamics]

Hi all, so in order to put something in Classifieds do you have to be a paid member now??

 

[Mrgs1]

No you don't have to be a paid member. Just have a look at classifieds and get a good idea on how to post your advert.

 

[Aero-Dynamics]

But when I log in and go to Classifieds, it says YOU HAVE INSUFFICIENT PRIVILEGES TO POST THREADS HERE ?

 

[Eagle's Eye Video]

Review the Classifieds posting guidelines here:

Classified Posting Guidelines

You have to be a member of the forum for a period of 30 days with a minimum of 10 posts. There is no fee to sign up as a member. This was instituted to minimize "drive-by" posts in the Classifieds. We are providing an area that gives exposure to qualified pilots, who are more likely to be familiar with the features of the aircraft being put up for sale. All we ask of you as a seller, is to show a minimal degree of participation in this forum.

I will also take this opportunity to request that sellers please respect this community and it's base of knowledge. Do not put boilerplate text from some retail site, spewing BS like 25 minute flight times, or claiming that the items included in a standard bundle are valuable "extras"... an actual extra item, is something that was purchased independently from the package... such as strobes or a third party charger.

 

[Mrgs1]

But when I log in and go to Classifieds, it says YOU HAVE INSUFFICIENT PRIVILEGES TO POST THREADS HERE ?

Sorry didn't realise you were new!!

 

[Aero-Dynamics]

Forgive me but that sounds ridiculous.

Whether or not someone has interacted a 'required amount' is no way to measure and judge their suitability to post a Classified Advert.

In reality, I have been a qualified pilot for 5 years, flying a Yuneec Typhoon. I have been a Forum member for more than 3 years with about half a dozen posts.

Despite this, I am forbidden to post a Yuneec item for sale within a Yuneec forum!? I mean, what on earth is the world coming to? These petty rules simply drive the wrong behaviour.

The fact is that Classified Ads are often, if not mostly, impromptu occurrences. And otherwise, I suspect the Forum be stuffed full of traders selling their wares. I simply don't sell a lot of my gear, I look after it and use it.

All this actually succeeds in doing is preventing a good item from an honest and experienced seller being offered to a relevant audience.

It's counter-intuitive nonsense.

 

[Eagle's Eye Video]

I did not personally suggest this restriction, but I do agree with it... As far as forum members that choose to only read the content, without any comment or reply... that is absolutely your right, but you do not allow your potential audience to get any sense of who you are, or why we should consider buying from you.

BTW I will be happy to continue this dialog with you through another 2 replies... which would eliminate the original issue of not having sufficient privileges... ?

 

[Aero-Dynamics]

This is blowing my mind!

Now you're suggesting Members can't possibly make their own minds up about items for sale if they don't have a sense of the Buyer?!? And that, magically, they could however if only we exchange two further emails that have nothing whatsoever to do with buying or selling! That would then give them a sense of my pedigree as a Seller and protect them from - what?!?

Just how much more crazy could that sound?

The item itself should lead the interest, and the Members can make up their own mind. The Forum staff or Admin adds absolutely no value by interfering with sales in this manner. You have no system to vet, not do you offer any way of compensating in the case of either a dishonest Buyer or Saller. The whole thing rests on having sent a few posts out and being a member for 30 days. That is as ridiculous as it is unjustifiably arbitrary. I could disappear and rejoin for 30 days and you'd be none the wiser.

I have sold over 500 items on eBay with a 100% feedback record, and many many thousands of items via eCommerce shops over the last 8 years. In all that time and throughout all those transactions, the fact is that problems have never been with items. Actually, problems are usually with the Buyer and not, as you are suggesting, with the Seller. Why do you think Buyer feedback is given equal importance on eBay?

Problems are usually with buyers claiming they never received an item, or that they never ordered it, or that they made a mistake or don't remember. Or using an item then trying to return it. Or saying they have returned it but not doing so. etc. etc. I have literally dozens of these incidents.

So is there a similar rule for buyers, or can any Forum member buy an item?? By your system, surely Buyers would need equal vetting - or is the prejudice aimed solely at Sellers?!

Again, it's just a tragic example of an ill-conceived rule aimed at the wrong people, and thus driving the wrong behaviour.

It looks like Forum members will have to find the item on eBay. Heaven forbid it appear on the Yuneec Forum they joined specifically to exchange Yuneec related info and items! That would be just... weird.

 

[PatR]

Forgive me but that sounds ridiculous.

Whether or not someone has interacted a 'required amount' is no way to measure and judge their suitability to post a Classified Advert.

In reality, I have been a qualified pilot for 5 years, flying a Yuneec Typhoon. I have been a Forum member for more than 3 years with about half a dozen posts.

Despite this, I am forbidden to post a Yuneec item for sale within a Yuneec forum!? I mean, what on earth is the world coming to? These petty rules simply drive the wrong behaviour.

The fact is that Classified Ads are often, if not mostly, impromptu occurrences. And otherwise, I suspect the Forum be stuffed full of traders selling their wares. I simply don't sell a lot of my gear, I look after it and use it.

All this actually succeeds in doing is preventing a good item from an honest and experienced seller being offered to a relevant audience.

It's counter-intuitive nonsense.

You actually had the gall to post all that? Your arrogance and sense of self importance is appalling.

When you join an organization or company you agree in advance to abide by rules that were established long before your arrival.

Like them or not, either conform and participate or refuse to conform and leave. RC and other forums are privately owned, not public democracies. Bottom line, it’s their way or the highway and they post site rules to allow each individual to decide if they want to play-or not.

So if you want to unload your stuff, get in the game. That will also help the rest of the members determine if you are a real user or just another fly by night outfit looking for a free place to advertise their stuff. At this point in time, based on your own posts, you appear to be a commercial seller and should be charged a monthly advertising rate.

 

[Murray Martz]

This is blowing my mind!

Now you're suggesting Members can't possibly make their own minds up about items for sale if they don't have a sense of the Buyer?!? And that, magically, they could however if only we exchange two further emails that have nothing whatsoever to do with buying or selling! That would then give them a sense of my pedigree as a Seller and protect them from - what?!?

Just how much more crazy could that sound?

The item itself should lead the interest, and the Members can make up their own mind. The Forum staff or Admin adds absolutely no value by interfering with sales in this manner. You have no system to vet, not do you offer any way of compensating in the case of either a dishonest Buyer or Saller. The whole thing rests on having sent a few posts out and being a member for 30 days. That is as ridiculous as it is unjustifiably arbitrary. I could disappear and rejoin for 30 days and you'd be none the wiser.

I have sold over 500 items on eBay with a 100% feedback record, and many many thousands of items via eCommerce shops over the last 8 years. In all that time and throughout all those transactions, the fact is that problems have never been with items. Actually, problems are usually with the Buyer and not, as you are suggesting, with the Seller. Why do you think Buyer feedback is given equal importance on eBay?

Problems are usually with buyers claiming they never received an item, or that they never ordered it, or that they made a mistake or don't remember. Or using an item then trying to return it. Or saying they have returned it but not doing so. etc. etc. I have literally dozens of these incidents.

So is there a similar rule for buyers, or can any Forum member buy an item?? By your system, surely Buyers would need equal vetting - or is the prejudice aimed solely at Sellers?!

Again, it's just a tragic example of an ill-conceived rule aimed at the wrong people, and thus driving the wrong behaviour.

It looks like Forum members will have to find the item on eBay. Heaven forbid it appear on the Yuneec Forum they joined specifically to exchange Yuneec related info and items! That would be just... weird.

I have read all of your posts past and present. No matter what you have said or how you feel about it, until you are the owner of the forum the rules are the rules and we all have to abide by them without exception. Even if a new Moderator came on-board, the same rules apply. Where you do have a choice is if you want to take advantage of the Classifieds section here or not. Other than that, no matter the amount you try to argue, the rule does not change for anyone.

If you were a Mod on here and had to daily remove the multitude of posts that people try to come on here and scam members with, you would realize that rule was put in place to protect members from scammers as best we can. Your posting history is only 5 posts up to 2017 and then nothing until you wanted to sell an item, so really, no one on here knows anything about your credibility with buying or selling, and no matter what your record is on eBay or anywhere else, this is not eBay.

Had you taken the time to do due diligence and read about posting instead of going off about something that you should have educated yourself on, you would have realized what is required for posting. We encourage our members to buy and sell within the forum as a lot of members know each other through here and can attest to their credibility with sales or purchases.

Hopefully you will now take the time to read about posting classifieds and cautions for buying and selling as it is here to help all of us.

Good luck with your sale.

 

[RiFF RaFF]

Just keep posting!

I know it's tiresome, but it keeps down the spam.

I have the same problem right now, and I'm trying to locate a Typhoon H RealSense Module for sale or trade, and can't post on the Classifieds - yet.

 

[DTN]

So if this is my first actual post, although I've been around for several months, I cannot list a drone for sale until I make 10 posts? Is that on any thread in any of the forums here, or is there any specific forum I should attend to?

 

[FlushVision]

So if this is my first actual post, although I've been around for several months, I cannot list a drone for sale until I make 10 posts? Is that on any thread in any of the forums here, or is there any specific forum I should attend to?

Just post anywhere in the Yuneec discussions forum where you think your post will contribute to the discussion.

 

[Aero-Dynamics]

MY arrogance? MY self-importance? That's so hilarious we actually laughed out loud for five straight minutes, so thank you for that! Yes, who wants a democracy after all I suppose, far better to have a semi-automatic Dictatorship.

Well, I couldn’t care less about selling the item now. I'd literally rather bin it. Evidently, this Yuneec forum is just not the place for long-term members to offer Yuneec items for sale. Who knew? I would suggest you get over yourselves, but I am 100% certain you won't.

RiFF RaFF, thank you very much for seeing the bigger picture and offering to assist me. However, as you can probably guess my answer is 'thanks, but no thanks'.

Instead, I might just have a bit of fun within the forum; maybe highlighting all the monstrous gaps and open contradictions. Perhaps I'll re-join as an Alsation called Bennie, spew out a few standard posts (i.e. just generally complaining whilst sl*gging off Yuneec) and then some other posts highlighting the challenges of having no opposing thumbs within a tablet-driven RC world, just to reach my Credibility Quota.

And just 30 short days later, I'll be a somebody! I'll be openly welcomed into the Classifieds section where I can offer my moon-powered, vegetable-derived Octacopter prototype for sale, complete with colour X-ray camera and 'canine derived smell detection'.

I almost can't wait.

 

[Eagle's Eye Video]

Congratulations on reaching 10 posts, and making this thread moot.

 

[Aero-Dynamics]

So if this is my first actual post, although I've been around for several months, I cannot list a drone for sale until I make 10 posts? Is that on any thread in any of the forums here, or is there any specific forum I should attend to?

Ridiculous isn't it?! Basically, despite offering no protection whatsoever to the buyer at any point, in this particular dictatorship you just can't be trusted to sell anything until you have made 10 otherwise irrelevant posts.

If you just badmouth Yuneec for 10 posts and complain about software, that seems to be perfectly acceptable. That gives everyone complete faith and you're automatically promoted to a trusted seller ?

Hope this helps.

Benny the Dog

 

[BigAl07]

Ridiculous isn't it?! Basically, despite offering no protection whatsoever to the buyer at any point, in this particular dictatorship you just can't be trusted to sell anything until you have made 10 otherwise irrelevant posts.

The Owners and Staff members of this forum have a Fiduciary responsibility to do whatever we can to protect our members from Scammers, Spam, Porn, and ill willed individuals. Since implementing these "very low min requirements" (and it's on all of the Pilots Forums not just YP) the amount of SCAMS and Drive-By selling has been cut down significantly. Scammers don't take the time to become a "contributor" to the forum so they just leave and never look back.

This protection is as much for YOU @Aero-Dynamics as it is for anyone else. Complaining about this minuscule post count to be able to buy/sell in classifieds is like someone complaining about the store clerk asking for my ID when I go to use a credit card. It's MY money and account info they are trying to help protect (and yes the store's money too) so that extra minuscule inconvenience is taken and appreciated by most... obviously not by all but most do see the value. Similar to the min post count and 30 day time requirement.

If you just badmouth Yuneec for 10 posts and complain about software, that seems to be perfectly acceptable. That gives everyone complete faith and you're automatically promoted to a trusted seller ?

At least it shows you are a participant to the community and not just a fly-by-night member trying to peddle junk or defraud another member of their funds.

When you buy something off of eBay or Amazon do you look at reputation or reviews (or both) before you purchase from someone? We are just making a minimal effort to require a small level of contribution (time and posts) in order to benefit from the massive member base we have in our forums.



*Thread CLOSED*


@Aero-Dynamics or anyone else who wishes to continue this discussion my PM's are wide open and I encourage your respectful input but keep in mind... the rules of the forum about conduct etc apply to PM's as well.

Sincerely,
Allen
Pilots Admin