Flir Duo Pro on h520

Wingman · Mar 8, 2018

I am going to insure it for sure and I will get public liability one. This is just a "must have" thing.

The only problem you do not know how long it will take for the insurance company to pay for a crashed drone and until it happens you have no idea how long they will drag you asking all questions before they agree to pay. I have been told it is about $1500/year which is quite a lot but if you pay it monthly may be not that noticeable for your budget.

I am sure if I had gone with the thermal setup totaling $15000 and more it would have been much more than just $1500/year.

arruntus · Mar 10, 2018

Uwe has done it again, now Flir Vue Pro on the H520.

PatR · Mar 11, 2018

arruntus said:
Drone insurance prices are not cheap, only insuring the damage you cause. Few companies secure the drone and prices are exorbitant. At least what I looked at. Keep in mind that equipment at this level is worth a lot of money so they ask you for a lot of money for insurance or directly tell you that they do not make you insurance

Your post reflects on something many may not be aware of. Most drone policies start out as liability only and as you say, are not cheap. My cost to insure 2 Typhoon H’s for liability runs $1,200.00 U.S. per year. Note that’s only for $1 mil of liability coverage. That’s a lump sum payment as the carrier does not allow “financing” the policy. Note the policy cost is roughly half the cost of both aircraft systems. If I want to add hull and payload loss coverage the cost increases significantly and there is a high deductible. Realistically I would end up paying over half the cost of a hull or payload loss out of pocket due to the deductible and the higher cost of the policy. Should I elect to work for cinema outfits, public agencies, disaster relief, or utility companies the required coverage jumps to a minimum of $3 mil with substantial increases in policy cost. Well over the combined cost of both drones.

As the value of a system increases so does the cost of a liability policy. Insurance is essential but you don’t want to make use of it. The idea is to minimize risk and exposure and one facet of that starts by reducing the potential for loss by selecting systems that will maintain flight should one or two motors fail. No quad can achieve that. To do it requires 6 or more motors.

arruntus · Mar 11, 2018

PatR said:
Your post reflects on something many may not be aware of. Most drone policies start out as liability only and as you say, are not cheap. My cost to insure 2 Typhoon H’s for liability runs $1,200.00 U.S. per year. Note that’s only for $1 mil of liability coverage. That’s a lump sum payment as the carrier does not allow “financing” the policy. Note the policy cost is roughly half the cost of both aircraft systems. If I want to add hull and payload loss coverage the cost increases significantly and there is a high deductible. Realistically I would end up paying over half the cost of a hull or payload loss out of pocket due to the deductible and the higher cost of the policy. Should I elect to work for cinema outfits, public agencies, disaster relief, or utility companies the required coverage jumps to a minimum of $3 mil with substantial increases in policy cost. Well over the combined cost of both drones.

As the value of a system increases so does the cost of a liability policy. Insurance is essential but you don’t want to make use of it. The idea is to minimize risk and exposure and one facet of that starts by reducing the potential for loss by selecting systems that will maintain flight should one or two motors fail. No quad can achieve that. To do it requires 6 or more motors.

In fact, I get cheaper every year but I have a franchise. Covering the drone means paying 6 times more and I don't know if I would cover 100%.

As you say, in two years I've paid for the whole drone in insurance. If we keep the relationship with drones of 40,000 € I don't even want to think about the price of insurance.

Very well explained, I also think it is better to invest in redundant systems such as propeller augmentation to minimize the possibility of disaster. Speaking only of a fault not attributable to the pilot. If you don't pay attention and crash the drone against a tree, you don't care what you put in it

Haydn · Mar 21, 2018

Wingman said:
I got my H520 yesterday. The first impression the drone is smaller than I thought(not in a bad way) but ST16 is much bigger than I thought.

Unfortunately I could not get their USB trainer working. It seems all their instructions are for those who have Typhoon H software on their ST16 but H520 uses a different one(Datapilot 1.3.0) on ST16. My distributor is trying to figure out how to bind it with ST16 for H520. If he cannot find it I would return it and try to learn all controls the harder way(trying to fly an actual drone)

I have it working now. Via the USB UAVPILOT.
Call me and I'll step you through the process.
Haydn

marcoemanuele · Feb 7, 2019

I Also making implementation.
I try with raspberry and a mavbridge.
If you have any other solution please help me.
Thanks
Emanuele

Haydn · Feb 7, 2019

Looks good.
But with the E10T and the E10TV due out next month.
Unless you already have this camera the Yuneec implementation is amazing.
It Knocks the even the X2T out of the air.

marcoemanuele · Feb 7, 2019

Haydn said:
Looks good.
But with the E10T and the E10TV due out next month.
Unless you already have this camera the Yuneec implementation is amazing.
It Knocks the even the X2T out of the air.

You'd be right, if it were not for the fact that the e10t and the e10tv aren't radiometric.
The zenmuse xt2 and the duo pro R instead yes.

Haydn · Feb 7, 2019

marcoemanuele said:
You'd be right, if it were not for the fact that the e10t and the e10tv aren't radiometric.
The zenmuse xt2 and the duo pro R instead yes.

While this is currently true.
They will be by June. At no extra cost.

Wingman · Feb 7, 2019

Haydn said:
While this is currently true.
They will be by June. At no extra cost.

Are you saying they are going to do a Radiometric version of et10 and they will be selling them at the same price as non radiometric one?

Haydn · Feb 7, 2019

Wingman said:
Are you saying they are going to do a Radiometric version of et10 and they will be selling them at the same price as non radiometric one?

No.
I'm saying that, buy which ever one you want now and don't worry about having to upgrade.
If you want 640 then wait.
The main choice is to make sure which lens you need as these cannot be exchanged if you buy the wrong ones. Same as the 320 or 640.
But don't worry about waiting for radiometric.
It will come. And you will be happy!!!

marcoemanuele · Feb 8, 2019

the most interesting thing that could be done yuneec would be to sell an interface similar to that ocusync dji, so you can connect to 'h520 any type of camera, in fact my need and that of many other users who buy this drone is the one to be able to connect any camera (parrot sequoia, lidar, multispectral etc.). Surely yuneec can not provide a solution for each, but can provide an interface to attack under the drone as I did, which interfaces with the st16s and provides to provide developers with mavlink outputs, analog video, an HDMI, a series of outputs pwm, sbus and ic2.
If he did this, he would be the only drone on the market under 2 kg, sure, which would be able to defeat the competition.

Now i'm building a interface similar to get telemetry, through a raspberry PI and mavbridge, but it is an interface cumbersome and heavy.
You can do, it works, but if yuneec the sell, don't hesitate to buy it and how to me, many others.
Regarding a thermal radiometric camera, most of colleagues fly with platforms Matrix 100 with the FLIR duo pro integrated with a gremsey gimbal (to stay under 4lbs) otherwise fly with platforms Matrix 600 or 200, and certainly after these investments not buying a small h520 ...
The only true and force yuneec is the platform px4 which should really make open with a minimum effort, both with regard to the software st16s (currently I use qgroundcontrol and not the pilot yuneec) and with regard to the payload third-part

UniqueH+ · Apr 11, 2019

I called FLIR directly, and a rep confirmed that per the specs listed on vertigo drones E10Tv listing it must be a Boson sensor. ADDITIONALLY it is fully spec'd for Radiometrics in its current build state, BUT DO NOT confuse that with ready to upgrade. Radiometrics are and have been planned for this platform, with potential release in Q4 2019. Boson/E10Tv sold today will likely NOT be upgradable (certainly not with a simple firmware patch) due to rebuild cost concerns.

arruntus · Apr 11, 2019

UniqueH+ said:
I called FLIR directly, and a rep confirmed that per the specs listed on vertigo drones E10Tv listing it must be a Boson sensor. ADDITIONALLY it is fully spec'd for Radiometrics in its current build state, BUT DO NOT confuse that with ready to upgrade. Radiometrics are and have been planned for this platform, with potential release in Q4 2019. Boson/E10Tv sold today will likely NOT be upgradable (certainly not with a simple firmware patch) due to rebuild cost concerns.

That the Boson platform can be radiometric but that today it still is not and therefore the E10Tv is not going to be radiometric? Did I get it right?

UniqueH+ · Apr 11, 2019

arruntus said:
That the Boson platform can be radiometric but that today it still is not and therefore the E10Tv is not going to be radiometric? Did I get it right?

Correct. There are a LOT of internals, that still must be installed(plus environmental conditioning and calibration) BUT the platform was built with radiometric release in mind. What that means is the body/housing will not change when radiometrics is released. So any manufacturer using it (E10Tv) can easily implement the new release when it becomes available to market.

marcoemanuele · Apr 11, 2019

Now upgrade.

Flir duo pro R 640

Fully operative with h520

Mission with wifi module Made by yuneec:

https://developer.yuneec.com/documentation/3/Hardware#108

arruntus · Apr 11, 2019

It looks great @marcoemanuele , good work

what's the payload weight?

Do you have any video of the drone flying?

Haydn · Apr 11, 2019

UniqueH+ said:
I called FLIR directly, and a rep confirmed that per the specs listed on vertigo drones E10Tv listing it must be a Boson sensor. ADDITIONALLY it is fully spec'd for Radiometrics in its current build state, BUT DO NOT confuse that with ready to upgrade. Radiometrics are and have been planned for this platform, with potential release in Q4 2019. Boson/E10Tv sold today will likely NOT be upgradable (certainly not with a simple firmware patch) due to rebuild cost concerns.

Well I still stand behind the update option.

marcoemanuele said:
the most interesting thing that could be done yuneec would be to sell an interface similar to that ocusync dji, so you can connect to 'h520 any type of camera, in fact my need and that of many other users who buy this drone is the one to be able to connect any camera (parrot sequoia, lidar, multispectral etc.). Surely yuneec can not provide a solution for each, but can provide an interface to attack under the drone as I did, which interfaces with the st16s and provides to provide developers with mavlink outputs, analog video, an HDMI, a series of outputs pwm, sbus and ic2.
If he did this, he would be the only drone on the market under 2 kg, sure, which would be able to defeat the competition.

Now i'm building a interface similar to get telemetry, through a raspberry PI and mavbridge, but it is an interface cumbersome and heavy.
You can do, it works, but if yuneec the sell, don't hesitate to buy it and how to me, many others.
Regarding a thermal radiometric camera, most of colleagues fly with platforms Matrix 100 with the FLIR duo pro integrated with a gremsey gimbal (to stay under 4lbs) otherwise fly with platforms Matrix 600 or 200, and certainly after these investments not buying a small h520 ...
The only true and force yuneec is the platform px4 which should really make open with a minimum effort, both with regard to the software st16s (currently I use qgroundcontrol and not the pilot yuneec) and with regard to the payload third-part

They make that component now.

https://developer.yuneec.com/documentation/3/Hardware#353

H520 WiFi module