Ok Mrgs, I was just telling that it needs 12,5 minutes to be on the safe side. Just idle 13min if you don't have an Atomic Clock. My point is info to avoid crashes, nothing else.
Good evening all! A little help please
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I apologize if it appeared I was leaning on the OP in my previous comments referencing non GPS flight operations. That’s not what I intended. It was meant that as drone pilots we absolutely must learn how to effectively and accurately handle our aircraft when GPS position assistance fails. Not if as it will most certainly do, but when.
Those that develop their flight control skills have the ability to mentally “shift gears” when a GPS failure occurs. They’ve learned how to compensate for wind drift to maintain a constant course, can hover with a good level of position accuracy in light to moderate winds, and can get the aircraft back to where it started without needing to use RTH.
Flying beneath a tree cover, through a covered bridge or tunnel is not a problem for them. Some learned on systems where flight modes named Atti or Stabilized were present that did not provide a GPS assist. The Typhoon H provides similar when switching off GPS and is something that should be explored and practiced by everyone that’s serious in becoming a competent drone operator.
As altitude hold is not dependent upon GPS that part of the workload is largely removed from requiring constant control input. There will be times where the use non GPS assisted flight will be the only way to complete a flight or particular type of mission. There will be times GPS signal is occluded by objects or structures. Those that can fly without the help of GPS will be less prone to incidents and have a higher mission success rate. We need not be surprised or restricted when GPS fails, we just need to be ready and able to take control of the aircraft and fly it appropriately. We have a choice between being masters of our aircraft or just along for the ride. One way takes more practice but that way experiences fewer incidents and instills confidence through competence.
Those that develop their flight control skills have the ability to mentally “shift gears” when a GPS failure occurs. They’ve learned how to compensate for wind drift to maintain a constant course, can hover with a good level of position accuracy in light to moderate winds, and can get the aircraft back to where it started without needing to use RTH.
Flying beneath a tree cover, through a covered bridge or tunnel is not a problem for them. Some learned on systems where flight modes named Atti or Stabilized were present that did not provide a GPS assist. The Typhoon H provides similar when switching off GPS and is something that should be explored and practiced by everyone that’s serious in becoming a competent drone operator.
As altitude hold is not dependent upon GPS that part of the workload is largely removed from requiring constant control input. There will be times where the use non GPS assisted flight will be the only way to complete a flight or particular type of mission. There will be times GPS signal is occluded by objects or structures. Those that can fly without the help of GPS will be less prone to incidents and have a higher mission success rate. We need not be surprised or restricted when GPS fails, we just need to be ready and able to take control of the aircraft and fly it appropriately. We have a choice between being masters of our aircraft or just along for the ride. One way takes more practice but that way experiences fewer incidents and instills confidence through competence.
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I agree PatR, but still I insist that a 100% completed and up-to- date GPS almanack is a cheap and simple way to minimise GPS failure... Ok?
I agree. But how does your comment concerning GPS equate with flying in Smart mode vs Angle mode? My understanding is both modes utilize GPS.
I wouldn't regard Smart mode as smart, I never use it.
AH1... do what ever you want, it's was just facts I picked up from those who knows how GPS Ephemerides and Almanacs works. Just switch on your hexa and take off!I stand by my method not to wait and waist 13 minutes!?
Imho Smart mode is akin to trying to walk backwards by looking over your shoulder with a mirror. Not instinctive or natural or remotely smart. Just a good way to trip over something.
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Smart Mode has the right idea, with geo-fencing and altitude restrictions, RTH safety radius......the big “No-Go” for me is it operates the aircraft in Headless Mode. That ruins it for me.
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If you understand Smart mode there’s nothing wrong with it. It can be an extremely useful tool in many situations. However, to use it as a means to fly all the time can be crippling for an operator as it does nothing to help them learn normal control functions. When GPS fails, so does Smart mode along with RTH. If the only way you know how to fly is in Smart mode, what will you do when in the air and GPS fails?
At that point the only automated thing you have going for you is the aircraft will maintain altitude. Getting from hither to yon is on you. Anyone can fly one of today’s automated multirotors. Virtually no intelligence required. However, when things start to go wrong those with intelligence that have practiced will usually still have a functioning multirotor afterwards. Aviation is all about planning what to do when things go wrong.
At that point the only automated thing you have going for you is the aircraft will maintain altitude. Getting from hither to yon is on you. Anyone can fly one of today’s automated multirotors. Virtually no intelligence required. However, when things start to go wrong those with intelligence that have practiced will usually still have a functioning multirotor afterwards. Aviation is all about planning what to do when things go wrong.
Hello everybody did I hear someone said they landed a TH with the legs still up. Well I have a TH.What Yuneec model were you flying?
Don’t fly into trees, lower the landing gear before touching down ?
finished flying I can only come down to about five maybe 4 feet from the ground. My TH will not get no Lord and that until I let my legs down. I did not realize I had that ability. You would think all of the TH would have that feature in it. If it's your first time flying this fly and smart mode until you get used to it . If you off-line a TH then go online and check the updates and see do you have the latest updates. It might help you. My TH has been updated four times. That's because I crashed it four times. We all make mistakes and I had to learn the hard way.
Like I said I did not know I had that feature because I always let my typhoon down with the legs already down.
But this particular day I decide not to let him down and see how it would come down. That's when I realize I had that feature. Wish you luck stay safe with that H.
Thanks for the information my fellow flyer. I thought I was on the one with thinking about that but I'm glad I'm not.
I have noticed a GPS can hold you back on certain things you do. It eliminates a lot of things when it's activated.
When now I'm gonna get rid of it and I can be a will to do the things I want to do with this thanks a lot.
HEY! I've lived most of my life in headless mode... and I still never used Smart Mode... now if they had a "Special Mode", I surely would have tried that immediately. ?
I'm still pretty new to drones and certainly don't consider myself a competent flyer. However, I've read many posts and reviewed the manual. Either the first or second time I got a low battery warning I wasn't sure which way my H was heading and due to panic as much as anything I almost instinctively switched on Smart mode. I was able to bring it back promptly and landed after returning to Angle mode. Smart mode worked for this nervous Nellie.
PatR
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For some reason we always try to bring the aircraft back to the starting point. We ALL want the aircraft to come back to us. For those times we’ve let it get too far away to establish orientation and the battery is getting low we always have the option to “land in place”. If the ground looks clear enough to land...land.
There will be times that’s a better option than risking a low voltage crash or becoming confused and flying even further away. Better to walk a ways than crash or lose the aircraft. For every flight we need to establish a “bail out” plan to establish what we should do if and when things go wrong. That plan is constantly modified during flight as aircraft location changes. The location and action of the aircraft will determine if we land, RTH, turn off the controller, or guide the aircraft to a location it can be crashed without risk to others. There can be situations where disarming the motors to let the aircraft fall is the best course of action.
Just to be clear, I am not criticizing anyone. What I am attempting to do is provide people, especially newer multirotor operators, information that will help them be more prepared in flight planning and aircraft operation to become better and safer operators. Choices will not often be easy but they will have to be made quickly.
I’ll dare say that when they have it all together they will have earned the title of pilot[emoji106]
There will be times that’s a better option than risking a low voltage crash or becoming confused and flying even further away. Better to walk a ways than crash or lose the aircraft. For every flight we need to establish a “bail out” plan to establish what we should do if and when things go wrong. That plan is constantly modified during flight as aircraft location changes. The location and action of the aircraft will determine if we land, RTH, turn off the controller, or guide the aircraft to a location it can be crashed without risk to others. There can be situations where disarming the motors to let the aircraft fall is the best course of action.
Just to be clear, I am not criticizing anyone. What I am attempting to do is provide people, especially newer multirotor operators, information that will help them be more prepared in flight planning and aircraft operation to become better and safer operators. Choices will not often be easy but they will have to be made quickly.
I’ll dare say that when they have it all together they will have earned the title of pilot[emoji106]
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