Traveling Vietnam Wall, other drones in the way!

[AH-1G]

Vietnam Traveling Wall

I’m upset!
The Vietnam Traveling Wall came here to Apopka, Fl. There was to be coordination with the Rotary Club about flying drones this past Monday, that never transpired.
So, I get out to the location I wanted to fly, low and behold Embry Riddle students were there with their Inspire 1, Phantom, and a Mavic.

I asked them what side of the road and height are they flying? One at 150’, one at 125’ and no idea where the Mavic is flying. (Found out he flew in between power lines and over the crowd as you can see the crowd middle left). idiot!
They expressed they were to be on the east side of the road.

My mistake was mentioning I’m at the SW corner 75' since the power lines will be in the way on the east side, (I even pointed where I was planning to stage myself in flight). Instead I wound up next to those power lines.

They took off before I did and, well, as you can see the Inspire 1 took my position, 50’ below what he had mentioned. So now my shots are worthless, I need to be facing ESE to get the Hospital in the background.
I asked them how many hours of flight time they had? 8 hours max. I even asked them to let me know when lifting off. Noda word.

 

[PatR]

That mimics my experience with Embry-Riddle people.

 

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This is a matter of lack of communication in an event that’s was not coordinated by you or the media. It its what is it.

 

[AH-1G]

This is a matter of lack of communication in an event that’s was not coordinated by you or the media. It its what is it.

As my second sentence above described briefly;
I spoke with these folks for 15 minutes coordinating where, when, how. That's the problem with youngsters, they don't listen very well and mostly could care less.

 

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As my second sentence above described briefly;
I spoke with these folks for 15 minutes coordinating where, when, how. That's the problem with youngsters, they don't listen very well and mostly could care less.

It’s not a sanctioned flight, where it is carefully coordinated in zones, and layers to operate.

It’s not about a matter of what they fly, age group, and knowing from left or right “common sense is not all too common” but, I could be “wrong again”

You probably wanted things your way, or presented the plan that they feel are restrictive and controlling, thus they rebel. I ran into your age group once when I used to fly 3D Helis The old folks petitioned that got us banned, but during a local fun-fly the same old dudes compensate us to give them a show, and during my first year working in construction, there was this old dude with a know it all attitude, but he quickly banished, due to wanting things his way or the highway. I have a young network of drone operators and they help me out when they are free, you have just to learn the “swag”

When I see others or someone flying like a knucklehead, I quickly retreat and or land, and be a spectator, because it’s not worth the stress and or the headache. They are there to also catch the action and go home with great footage “each to its own” when it comes to an uncontrolled event, the best avoid the unnecessary stress is to have fun yourself. Do you!

 

[AH-1G]

I didn't want things my way! Why would you even think that?
1st, Embry Riddle did not contact the proper authorities to find who is in charge.
The Rotary Club hosted this event, and having scheduled drones to be in specific places, with the coordination of the police department also.
Embry Riddle showed up unannounced. Now given this is a public event, I can't stop them from flying where they wanted. I approached ER students so to know what their intentions where, and when they are planning to fly, so not to cause confusion, and harm to the public.
No, I didn't get stressed out, as a former pilot I am very capable of staying calm in very, very extreme circumstances.
Swag:
1) The new generation's alternative word for "cool".
The new generation originally used swag to describe anyone thought to carry themselves in a way considered by some to be sexy / cool.

Now it is used to describe anything thought to be cool, initiating the irk of previous generations and members of the new generation that disagree with new words.

I would rather be humble than think of myself as a swag.
We "old folks" do know how ignorant the younger generation can be. BTW you do seem to resemble, "this old dude with a know it all attitude,".

 

[Dougcjohn]

I didn't want things my way! Why would you even think that?
1st, Embry Riddle did not contact the proper authorities to find who is in charge.
The Rotary Club hosted this event, and having scheduled drones to be in specific places, with the coordination of the police department also.
Embry Riddle showed up unannounced. Now given this is a public event, I can't stop them from flying where they wanted. I approached ER students so to know what their intentions where, and when they are planning to fly, so not to cause confusing, and harm to the public.
No, I didn't get stressed out, as a former pilot I am very capable of staying calm in very, very extreme circumstances.
Swag:
1) The new generation's alternative word for "cool".
The new generation originally used swag to describe anyone thought to carry themselves in a way considered by some to be sexy / cool.
Note: considered to be retarded by many others.
Now it is used to describe anything thought to be cool, initiating the irk of previous generations and members of the new generation that disagree with new words.

I would rather be humble than think of myself as a swag.
We "old folks" do know how ignorant the younger generation can be. BTW you do seem to resemble, "this old dude with a know it all attitude,".

Have no knowledge of this Embry Riddel group, sorry for your experience on a planned event. You're correct it's public space and sounds like you made attempts to work with the other flyers; curious did you inquire if they had contacted the Rotary and coordinated their airspace as requested by Rotary group? That might have "suggested" a practice they should adapt that the "elder" has gained experience in applying to work with others.

The ER trio, I assume represented themselves as ER associated, which would "assume", especially since their establishment's name "Embry Riddle Aeronautical University" includes Aeronautical within the title that they've either been taught or gained a respect for common rules of aviation.

Just a side bar on the Elder vs Young... just my opinion...
I'm a bit surprised how a society & culture continues to repeat itself over history; each new generation's cultural change isn't a new methodology to successfully interact; it's tends to be a "repeat with new label" method to justify a "new" carefree, non-structured, non-committal, or avoidance of responsibility that later fades for one primary reason, it doesn't work with the majority "core" that provide the essence of a functioning society.... in brief, it tends to always return to a structure of communication and responsibility.... the young become their grandfather eventually. The old saying, if it works... well that applies to many things! Step back a few generations, Fathers dealt with their children that took ill-responsible direction to teach & guide them benefiting both family & society. That has faded and expected to be assimilated in the education system which is near impossible considering the direction that has taken too.

 

[AH-1G]

Have no knowledge of this Embry Riddel group, sorry for your experience on a planned event. You're correct it's public space and sounds like you made attempts to work with the other flyers; curious did you inquire if they had contacted the Rotary and coordinated their airspace as requested by Rotary group? That might have "suggested" a practice they should adapt that the "elder" has gained experience in applying to work with others.

The ER trio, I assume represented themselves as ER associated, which would "assume", especially since their establishment's name "Embry Riddle Aeronautical University" includes Aeronautical within the title that they've either been taught or gained a respect for common rules of aviation.

Just a side bar on the Elder vs Young... just my opinion...
I'm a bit surprised how a society & culture continues to repeat itself over history; each new generation's cultural change isn't a new methodology to successfully interact; it's tends to be a "repeat with new label" method to justify a "new" carefree, non-structured, non-committal, or avoidance of responsibility that later fades for one primary reason, it doesn't work with the majority "core" that provide the essence of a functioning society.... in brief, it tends to always return to a structure of communication and responsibility.... the young become their grandfather eventually. The old saying, if it works... well that applies to many things! Step back a few generations, Fathers dealt with their children that took ill-responsible direction to teach & guide them benefiting both family & society. That has faded and expected to be assimilated in the education system which is near impossible considering the direction that has taken too.

@Dougcjohn "curious did you inquire if they had contacted the Rotary and coordinated their airspace as requested by Rotary group".
Yes I did, the answer is no. They didn't even speak with the police or the fire department which was 50' away from them.
Once I got on site, I immediately spoke first with the fire department, then with the police officials in my surrounding flight area, my reason for being here and my intentions.

 

[PatR]

DCJ,

There has to be a mandatory course at that scholastic facility that imbeds a sense of superiority and entitlement. As one that has had a lot of association with numerous attendees of that wonderful bastion of advanced education, from CEO level down to intern and everywhere in between, the condition (arrogance) the OP experienced at the wall display is consistent with my experiences. Perhaps of interest is if you ever have the opportunity to interact with any of them you’ll probably hear them inject the name of their university at some point in the conversation to inflate their sense of self worth.

 

[AH-1G]

They did.

 

[Ty Pilot]

AH-1G Contacted me about a week before this event took place and asked if I wanted to participate. As we looked at the scope of the shoot we came up with a few questions for the organizers which; fell on deaf ears unfortunately. Because it was so far away, time was short and communication had broke down with the organizers; I did not participate, but I think what he (AH) expected from the other pilots was not out of the realm or; wanting to have it his way. You have multiple aircraft within an airspace and it would seem to me that competent operators; especially those with actual training and certification would know that it is everyone's responsibility to communicate.

I know if I had been there and another operator had approached me I would be happy to coordinate. In fact by doing so we could have operated in very close proximity due to having direct communication that and the fact that I have a rock solid machine like the Plus but I digress.

Sorry it din't work out for you @AH-1G , we'll get some other shoots going I am sure.

 

[PatR]

Some might call it resource and airspace management, along with flight safety. Others might just look at it as common courtesy. Unfortunately what used to be common is no longer and the focus shifted to self.

 

[Dougcjohn]

@Dougcjohn "curious did you inquire if they had contacted the Rotary and coordinated their airspace as requested by Rotary group".
Yes I did, the answer is no. They didn't even speak with the police or the fire department which was 50' away from them.
Once I got on site, I immediately spoke first with the fire department, then with the police officials in my surrounding flight area, my reason for being here and my intentions.

You certainly applied the correct communication and appropriate actions to insure both your mission and others would be aware. As TyPilot indicated, flights could be coordinated if there was agreeable communication. I haven't had to deal with others much yet (drones)... that certainly takes the joy out of the mission and time planning.