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Thinking of Buying a 920

You’ll be hard pressed to fit tinned battery wires into an EC3 bullet connector[emoji6]. Solder splash to the outside of the bullet prevents them from being secured inside the housing. It can be done but...

$92.00!!?? Think I need to revisit my pricing structure[emoji56]

:D Nah... I'd hold to the $12, that was for 2 or 6 sets? :oops:
On the connections, Pat is just indicating the gauge diameter is pretty hefty for the EC3 connectors... he's questioning if you can stuff that much in a small hole:p... hmmm?
 
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I'm pretty sure I understand the issues. If you convert the leads that are on the 920 then you have issues working around the batteries with the non-wire connectors. Pat is making wired converters that allow you to snake the wires around the battery. If you convert the lipo's then you either need a converter for each battery or unplug and move to each battery which could lead to worn out connectors.
Is this a fair assumption?
:( I think you're over pondering the matter... In simpler visual terms... On house, if you have a wall socket with 2 hole plug and had a lamp with a 3 prong plug, you need an adapter to interface. If you convert the Home to a 3 prong, you no longer need an adapter. Same principle... use an adapter between the receptacles or change one end to match the other. Really no major pro/cons to it, just a different option. If the battery had EC3 connections you wouldn't need adapters on either H920 or H920 charger. :cool:

Except for the challenge of changing the LiPo's lead ends... need to be careful in both handling the leads to not short and to insure you get a proper tin & bond to not introduce resistance.
 
:D Nah... I'd hold to the $12, that was for 2 or 6 sets? :oops:
On the connections, Pat is just indicating the gauge diameter is pretty hefty for the EC3 connectors... he's questioning if you can stuff that much in a small hole:p... hmmm?


I suppose you could get a run at it:)

Only two. If you got six you'd prolly sell the other 4 at an obscene profito_O
 
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:( I think you're over pondering the matter... In simpler visual terms... On house, if you have a wall socket with 2 hole plug and had a lamp with a 3 prong plug, you need an adapter to interface. If you convert the Home to a 3 prong, you no longer need an adapter. Same principle... use an adapter between the receptacles or change one end to match the other. Really no major pro/cons to it, just a different option. If the battery had EC3 connections you wouldn't need adapters on either H920 or H920 charger. :cool:

Except for the challenge of changing the LiPo's lead ends... need to be careful in both handling the leads to not short and to insure you get a proper tin & bond to not introduce resistance.
Only discrepancy is that you don't have to wrap the lamp chord around the couch to hook it to the wall outlet:D
 
Big time careful! If the leads shorted out on a wedding ring you would lose the finger.
Would that be a AC or DC wedding band?
 
Received the spare parts order today. Due to a little lack of clarity I received, and paid for, two complete sets of qucik change prop adapters. I only need one full set so athe other is for sale to anyone that wants to install or needs a set of quick change adapters. I also have one more A and B prop than I think I'll need as spares.
 
Politically I’m liking you more every minute[emoji4]

I don’t think you’ll ever need the kill switch to land the 920. The descent speed is very controllable and platform stability is excellent. Most of my t/o and landings so far have been from uneven ground and there hasn’t been any cause for anxiety. I’ll admit I’m quick to disarm after touch down most of the time but those times I have been late to do so didn’t demonstrate any reasons for concern. That doesn’t mean I intend to relax before the motors are stopped though. No landing is complete until the motors are stopped and the batteries are removed from the aircraft.

Sure, you’ll be nervous, and you should be. You’ll likely be out of your comfort zone but we don’t grow until we step outside of it and create a new one. Fear is good as it keeps us on our toes. Panic is always destructive though. Understand the basic controls and initially fly basic flights to gain competence. Save the camera stuff for after you become comfortable with flying it. Don’t fly without the camera unless you install a ballast weight roughly equal to the camera weight. Think about and develop a pre flight checklist. Use it every time. Plan your flight, fly the plan.
I put up a post about the arm button landings. I did do a search on it and some guys were using the normal landings and had tip over issues. I didn't see any arm landing posts for the 920. I'm comfortable with landing the H the normal way but for me it does introduce harder landings and less controllable in my opinion.

So with that said I'm assuming you can do a pump the arm button landing for the 920. Is that correct?

Does the fancy stuff on the inside use the same components as the 480 or are they considerably different? Reason I'm asking is do you need to let the 920 sit for 12 minutes initially after doing the calibrations?
 
One of the most frequently replaced parts on the H-480 is the landing gear, and the retract servo assembly. The cause of that is from impacting the ground with too much force. As both the H and the 920 can be landed very gently, with the 920 easier than the 480, I find the option of cutting power and drop it onto the ground as one that’s unacceptable. 920 retracts cost $150.00 each and zero are available. I’m sure you can cut the power to land but you would be arriving, not landing. The difference in end result can be immense, and expensive.

As for the 10-12 minute GPS thing, I’ve never done it with anything and don’t plan on starting now. With either the H or the 920 as soon as the white light flashes fly. Never had issues in this area of functionality.
 
One of the most frequently replaced parts on the H-480 is the landing gear, and the retract servo assembly. The cause of that is from impacting the ground with too much force. As both the H and the 920 can be landed very gently, with the 920 easier than the 480, I find the option of cutting power and drop it onto the ground as one that’s unacceptable. 920 retracts cost $150.00 each and zero are available. I’m sure you can cut the power to land but you would be arriving, not landing. The difference in end result can be immense, and expensive.

As for the 10-12 minute GPS thing, I’ve never done it with anything and don’t plan on starting now. With either the H or the 920 as soon as the white light flashes fly. Never had issues in this area of functionality.
My first 480 had 2 fly aways back to back. On the 1st I sent it in to Yuneec and they stated GPS and compass were both bad. I got it back and did the calibrations and flew 1 full battery and on the next battery the H did exactly the same thing. I sent it back and they stated the same thing again. They sent me a new unit and I've had no issues since. This may be anecdotal but many are theorizing that the fly aways are a result of not letting the drone acclimate enough to get a good database.

Like those that put up varying info on battery charging, how long they can be stored with a full charge etc the info from users is difficult to determine what is correct. I'm not superstitious but at the same time I'd rather be safe than sorry. Since I've been doing the 12 minutes of letting it sit after I've moved the H some distance I've had no issues. My first crash was into a tree with me having my kids come down to show them how cool and stable my H was. Them watching my H bolt into a tree with no control was interesting. The 2nd crash was after I traveled 300 miles and took off and the H decided to take out a large yacht out. Both times I tried RTH and joystick commands and nothing responded.

I'm probably the guy that if something can happen it will. I'm trying my best to make sure it doesn't happen with a 920 that doesn't have warranty.
 
Nothing in life is without risk, and the more we risk the more we live. If we are not capable of, or willing to accept risk we should not participate in anything that requires risk.

Where multirotors are concerned, unless we are using MilSpec components, certified flight controllers, minimum performance standards, post production flight testing of every system, and hardware certification standards we will always be dealing with a great many unknowns. What we fly has absolutely none of those and every time we fly we are a test pilot. We can at best hope things will work as they should, even at the most expensive levels. Just for conversational purposes, the last I heard, which was only a few weeks ago, Lockheed had yet to figure out what to put in the user documentation for their relatively new flight controller and places that have developed a 'self learning" FC don't have a full grasp with how theirs work yet.

I don't know about anyone else but when I obtain a new flying machine the absolute last thing I do is take them out to fly. I'll spend hours and hours going over everything on the bench, inspecting fasteners, reviewing the control functions, memorizing the locations and function of the flight controls, learning the camera settings, performing calibrations, and all the other little things we need to understand and be comfortable with before we set out to fly. All of that is to mitigate risk. During most of that time the system is powered up, with or without propellers, and has ample time to collect any GPS data that might be needed for an "almanac". Most decent GPS systems don't need any more time than is necessary to start collecting continuous data from the minimum number of satellites required to generate accurate position reference. For Yuneec that number seems to be 10. More advanced systems require no more than 5 but benefit from more. Sure, the longer a satellite is in view the better the HDOP but as more and more satellites become visible the HDOP also improves until we will won't obtain any more precise data than the entity that controls the satellites want us to have, which in the U.S. is within a few meters and no more without adding RTK or DGPS to the navigation system.

The 920 does not co-locate the compass and GPS with the flight control board, nor does it locate the GPS over a heat and power source. Building a fire underneath the GPS module, which is close to what is taking place with the battery directly under the GPS with the Typhoon H, is a pretty stupid thing to do. That "tower" on top of the body is where that stuff is located which removes it from the most common interference sources. I tend to believe the GPS/compass module used in the H-480 is not as good as it could be (along with most everything else the system incorporates) but how and where they located it is most likely 98% of the problems they have experienced. Where consumer drone manufacturers place their navigation equipment is consistently where the DIY crowd never will. The DIY crowd, those with average or above experience anyway, just don't experience fly away's.

BTW, if GPS is out there's no possible way for RTH to work. If the aircraft doesn't know where it is it certainly won't know where "home" used to be. For all intents and purposes the system has dementia. Telling it to go home is akin to telling it to "get lost";)
 
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Nothing in life is without risk, and the more we risk the more we live. If we are not capable of, or willing to accept risk we should not participate in anything that requires risk.

Where multirotors are concerned, unless we are using MilSpec components, certified flight controllers, minimum performance standards, post production flight testing of every system, and hardware certification standards we will always be dealing with a great many unknowns. What we fly has absolutely none of those and every time we fly we are a test pilot. We can at best hope things will work as they should, even at the most expensive levels. Just for conversational purposes, the last I heard, which was only a few weeks ago, Lockheed had yet to figure out what to put in the user documentation for their relatively new flight controller and places that have developed a 'self learning" FC don't have a full grasp with how theirs work yet.

I don't know about anyone else but when I obtain a new flying machine the absolute last thing I do is take them out to fly. I'll spend hours and hours going over everything on the bench, inspecting fasteners, reviewing the control functions, memorizing the locations and function of the flight controls, learning the camera settings, performing calibrations, and all the other little things we need to understand and be comfortable with before we set out to fly. All of that is to mitigate risk. During most of that time the system is powered up, with or without propellers, and has ample time to collect any GPS data that might be needed for an "almanac". Most decent GPS systems don't need any more time than is necessary to start collecting continuous data from the minimum number of satellites required to generate accurate position reference. For Yuneec that number seems to be 10. More advanced systems require no more than 5 but benefit from more. Sure, the longer a satellite is in view the better the HDOP but as more and more satellites become visible the HDOP also improves until we will won't obtain any more precise data than the entity that controls the satellites want us to have, which in the U.S. is within a few meters and no more without adding RTK or DGPS to the navigation system.

The 920 does not co-locate the compass and GPS with the flight control board, nor does it locate the GPS over a heat and power source. Building a fire underneath the GPS module, which is close to what is taking place with the battery directly under the GPS with the Typhoon H, is a pretty stupid thing to do. That "tower" on top of the body is where that stuff is located which removes it from the most common interference sources. I tend to believe the GPS/compass module used in the H-480 id not as good as it could be (along with most everything else the system incorporates) but how and where they located it is most likely 985 of the problems they have experienced. Where consumer drone manufacturers place their navigation equipment is consistently where the DIY crowd never will. The DIY crowd, those with average or above experience anyway, just don't experience fly away's.

BTW, if GPS is out there's no possible way for RTH to work. If the aircraft doesn't know where it is it certainly won't know where "home" used to be. For all intents and purposes the system has dementia. Telling it to go home is akin to telling it to "get lost";)
I typically t/o and go to about 8 feet and let it hover for a few moments. I did this with both fly aways. Each flight for the F/A's lasted about 20 seconds. Once I got the H to the 8 feet it decided to have a mind of its own and find the nearest obstacle.

As far as risk goes I'm usually the guy who jumps in while the pool is still filling. I'm a little more reserved when it comes to drones. I want to know what I'm getting into before crashing it especially with a hex. I started with drone simulators and went to a Walkera Tali, H and now a 920. The GPS and RTH was not something that I was focused on. Yuneec was the one who asked me about what I did b4 sending the data to them which they lost. In fact I rec'd a different serial # upon return from repair. On the 2nd F/A I at first politely requested a new unit and then when that didn't work I demanded one from the tech supervisor. The new unit has been flawless for over a year. I've now purchased a 2nd H for backup and need be parts.
 
Being totally candid, I’m not always all that impressed with their C.S. Dept. in what they know, they know but what they don’t can lead to a lot of confusing answers. There’s also some things that come up they may have been instructed by their superiors to obfuscate or avoid completely.
 
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So on a side note I'm pretty sick to my stomach. I've charged up the grip battery, 920 and the 2 st24's batteries and the cgo4 won't fire up. I've tried it on the grip and the 920. The 920 and the cgo4 are bound.
 
Look through the ST-24 menus for a camera power switch? I’m away from things right now but I think I recall a camera power switch in the phone app.

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I just checked the app and didn’t see a switch.
 
Know of anyone that is near Sioux Falls SD that's good with meters and small wires?
 

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