Whats The Difference Between The Two?

[mvaughn12]

Ok Ive Done searches and I'm finding nothing, Question what is the difference between the Tornado H920 and the H920 Plus?

 

[PatR]

I'll give you what I know, but there is probably a lot I don't know.

• The original 920 used the ST-24 for flight and camera controls. The ST-24 had more camera control features on it than the ST-16 now used with the 920+
• The original 920 allowed Team Mode when using another ST-24 or ST-12.
  
• The original 920 would accept several gimbals and cameras, including the GH4, Sony a7, the CGO-4, and another camera who's name I can't remember right now. Only the CGO-4 had full control of the camera and gimbal.
• The original 920 uses flight control firm and software different from that used in the 920+.
• The original 920 was noted by some to be experiencing issues with harmony for camera and gimbal controls.
  
• The 920+ does not have Team Mode.
• The 920+ now uses the ST-16 and the same firmware as the Typhoon H.
  
• The ST-16 used with the 920+ is the same as the one used with the Typhoon H Pro, having three antennas. The flat directional antenna is not included with the 920+.
  
• The 920+ now, to the best of my knowledge, only accepts the CGO-4 camera and gimbal assembly, however, a CGO3 adapter can be purchased to allow use of a CGO-3 or CGO-ET camera. Where use of the a&, GH-4, and other cameras with the 920+ is concerned I'm a little fuzzy as the 920+ may still accept one or more of the cameras used by the original 920 but I have not found anything to confirm this.
• The 920+ incorporates many, but not all, of the automated flight features incorporated in the Typhoon H.
• The 920+ using the CGO-4 does not have a lock feature for white balance.
  
• Team Mode is returned to the 920+ when using a CGO-3 camera but the advanced camera controls available for the CGO-4 will not be present. Only the camera controls provided on the Typhoon H are available when using the CGO-3 camera..
  
• When using a CGO-3 camera on a 920+ the ST-16 screen reverts to the same screen depicted when flying a Typhoon H.
  
• You must select model type and cameras and bind the systems whenever you change between the CGO-4 and CGO-3 cameras. The same applies if you elect to fly without a camera, but about a pound of ballast should be carried when flying without a camera and gimbal to maintain center of gravity and balance with PID's.

 

[mvaughn12]

Thanks So Much For That valued Information, Now Does The 920 Plus described anywhere on the drone itself?

 

[mvaughn12]

Also If I Have A H920 Can I Bind It To My ST16 That I Use For My Typhoon H?

 

[PatR]

I haven’t tried that yet but it should work if the -16 has b30 firmware.

 

[PatR]

Thanks So Much For That valued Information, Now Does The 920 Plus described anywhere on the drone itself?

Unsure of what you mean with the above.

 

[mvaughn12]

I mean if I sat the h920 and h920 drone side by side are they labeled differently to tell the differences?

 

[PatR]

They are labeled differently.

BTW, Seabee was going to try binding an H ST-16 with his 920+ but I don’t recall if he did or the outcome.

 

[PatR]

I mean if I sat the h920 and h920 drone side by side are they labeled differently to tell the differences?

I was in error. After checking mine, a 920+, I see the labels are the same, Tornado H920. However, Plus conversions will normally have propeller quick change adapters installed where the original 920 uses bolt on props, but... the owner could remove the adapters and fly with bolt on props if they desired. All 920+ use the ST-16 instead of an ST-24.

 

[Breizhdrone]

Also If I Have A H920 Can I Bind It To My ST16 That I Use For My Typhoon H?

No, it's not possible. You could only use ST16 with H920 Plus. For the H920, you could only use ST24 or ST12.

 

[Breizhdrone]

Hi,

I'll give you what I know, but there is probably a lot I don't know.

• The 920+ now, to the best of my knowledge, only accepts the CGO-4 camera and gimbal assembly, however, a CGO3 adapter can be purchased to allow use of a CGO-3 or CGO-ET camera. Where use of the a&, GH-4, and other cameras with the 920+ is concerned I'm a little fuzzy as the 920+ may still accept one or more of the cameras used by the original 920 but I have not found anything to confirm this.

The H920 Plus is not accept Yuneec GB603 gimbal to carry others cameras like GH4, Sony Alpha 7 serie.
For the Yuneec GB603 gimbal you have 2 versions:

• first and old version only fit for Panasonic Lumix GH4;
• second and last version, fit with Panasonic Lumix GH4 AND Sony Alpha 7 serie with IR cable.

The Tornado H920 is unfortunately a poorly finished product by Yuneec and is about to be abandoned (H920 and H920 Plus) seemingly to focus on the new Typhoon H520 product for industry activities.

The Yuneec GB603 gimbal is very poorly designed because it allows to use very few optics for Panasonic Lumix GH4 or Sony Alpha 7, because of the diameter of the ring where the optics must pass is strait.
Unless you transform and custom it or use another gimbal better perform like the Gremsy gimbals, with the Tornado H920: GREMSY | Advanced brushless gimbal
You can do this if you work in pairs for Gremsy gimbal. Drone pilot use the ST24 to control the H920, and cameraman use DJI controler via LightBridge 2 or Futaba controler, to control the Gremsy gimbal. Gremsy gimbals support SBUS, SPEKTRUM/JR, PPM, and following controlers too: Futaba T14SG, Spektrum DX6i, Taranis, etc.

The Tornado H920 Plus only accept CG04 camera (light Panasonic Lumix GH4 by Yuneec). But, GH4 is an old product. Today you have the new Panasonic Lumix GH5 !

With custom and modified Yuneec GB603 gimbal, you can bring new Panasonic Lumix GH5.

The T3 Gremsy gimbal currently supports cameras with a maximum depth of 100 mm (measured from the center of gravity), a maximum height of 120 mm, and a maximum width of 152 mm. The maximum payload of T3 is 1.7 kgs (3.75 lbs). Gremsy T3 Camera Compatibility List (non-comprehensive list):
Gremsy T3 - Gremsy

• BlackMagic Pocket, BlackMagic Micro Cinema Camera
• Canon 5D Mk I, II
• Nikon D810, D800, D500, D5
• Sony A7S (mk I - II), A7r (mk I - II)
• Sony A6000, A6300, A6500
• Panasonic GH3, GH4
• Pentax
• ....

Yuneec would in my opinion make a mistake to abandon the Tornado serie (H920 & H90 Plus) which are products that could excel with some modifications. The photo and video have never been the strong of Yuneec, unlike the drone itself for its quality in flight. For example, a simple piece of plastic like a lens hood would significantly improve the quality of the CG02, CGO3 or CG03 + cameras, with angles close to the sun. All serious photographers use this accessory with wide-angle optics. Yuneec would do well to hire professionals photo and video specialists to develop their products for the photo and video activities areas. For me, the new H920 is suitable only for inspection and industry sector of activity. Unfortunately, Yuneec also does not know how to listen to the expectations and needs of its professional customers in the photo and video industry.

I dream, for example, of a Tornado H920 Plus and gimbal, which could be controlled with two ST16S and which could have a CG05 camera (light Panasonic Lumix GH5 by Yuneec) or Gremsy T3 gimbal, either, depending on the needs of the filmmaker or the photographer.

The Inspire 2 of DJI even if it is not perfect has a beautiful technological advance in term of sensor for the industries of the video and the photo. Furthermore, DJI has bought the Swedish Hasselblad company, a leading photo company in the professional medium format since before the second world war:
https://www.hasselblad.com
Why did DJI acquire Hasselblad? Think Volvo

Yuneec with the new H520 copter and E90 camera is limited to a sensor of 1 inch equivalent to the Phantom 4 Pro ! Nothing revolutionary unfortunately in terms of photo and video quality.

 

[bobjr12345]

Breizhdrone,
Are you saying that you have seen someone take the T3 and get it mounted onto a modified GB603? That sounds like a great option...

 

[PatR]

The 920 would easily carry it but integrating camera/gimbal controls into the existing 920 flight controller would be more than a little work. A separate payload controller would not be difficult.

I think a point was being made earlier that Yuneec could do a lot of improvements and system expansion with little effort, if they wanted to. Unfortunately it appears they are designing things on a 12 month new product replacement cycle and not looking back as each new product appears. Their product firmware release dates support that theory. The Breeze saw its last documentation a year ago yesterday, the H-480 last March, the 920 almost two years ago, etc.

 

[Breizhdrone]

Hello,

Breizhdrone,
Are you saying that you have seen someone take the T3 and get it mounted onto a modified GB603? That sounds like a great option...

Yes, you could control the H920 as pilot with the ST24 (Tornado H920) or ST16 (Tornado H920 Plus) and the T3 Gremsy gimbal camera could be control with Futaba T14SG, Spektrum DX6i, Taranis, etc. ground station. For that you could adapt a fixation on the plate for the T3 Gremsy gimbal on the Tornado H920 or Tornado H920 Plus or change the plate by the Gremsy Damping plate-pro . With this solution, it's not possible to be one person as pilot and cameraman. You need to be a team (pilot and cameraman).
I have not tried yet but the idea tempts me well for a team, in addition to the Yuneec GB603 gimbal when I'm alone ;-)
You should just buy a new plate to fit the T3 Gremsy gimbal as "Gremsy Damping plate pro", instead of four screws not practical by Yuneec. Gremsy Hyper Quick Release is on the box when you buy the T3 Gremsy gimbal:
DAMPING PLATE PRO - Gremsy
T1/T3 - HYPER QUICK RELEASE - Gremsy

CONNECT the T3 Gremsy gimbal to the drone (Tornado in our case):
Rapid Connection with Gremsy Hyper Quick Release (included on T3 Gremsy gimbal package)

STEP 1: The marks on the top part and bottom part must be aligned. The button on the ring should be aligned with the unlocked icon as shown in the first picture.

STEP 2: Keep everything aligned and attach the bottom part to the top part.

STEP 3: Rotate the ring clockwise until hearing a snap, the button should be automatically popped out and aligned with locked icon.

DISCONNECT the T3 Gremsy gimbal from the drone (Tornado in our case):
Rapid Connection with Gremsy Hyper Quick Release (included on T3 Gremsy gimbal package)

STEP 1: Press and hold the button.

STEP 2: Rotate the ring counterclockwise.

STEP 3: When the button aligns the unlock icon, the T3 can be detached from the top part of Hyper Quick Release.

 

[PatR]

Similar to MoVi's "Toad in the Hole".

 

[thoneter]

No, it's not possible. You could only use ST16 with H920 Plus. For the H920, you could only use ST24 or ST12.

I have no intentions of being a dick but do you know why the st16 has the 920 listed by default in the model selection area?

 

[PatR]

Because the 920 was released before the H? I really don’t have an answer but the same flight controller and software is used for both aircraft, 920+ and Typhoon H, so it almost makes sense. Just push on the one you need and bind.

 

[Breizhdrone]

Hello,

I have no intentions of being a dick but do you know why the st16 has the 920 listed by default in the model selection area?

You could make an update from Yuneec Tornado H920 to Yuneec Tornado H920 Plus, with ST16, but at this time, it's not possible to use team mode, with Yuneec CG04 camera & the Tornado H920 Plus. By cons, the team mode is possible with the old Yuneec Tornado H920, not updated. The functions of the Yuneec Tornado H920 Plus (Multiple intelligent task modes as Orbit me, Point of interest, Journey, Curve Cable Cam, Follow me, watch me) are similar to the Yuneec Typhoon H480, only with the Yuneec CG04 camera (not with the Yuneec GB603 gimbal for Panasonic Lumix GH4 or Sony Alpha7 serie) and without team mode: http://us.yuneec.com/h920-overview

 

[PatR]

There is also the option of using a CGO-3 camera with the 920+ which will then permit the use of Team mode.

 

[Dougcjohn]

They are labeled differently.

BTW, Seabee was going to try binding an H ST-16 with his 920+ but I don’t recall if he did or the outcome.

Pat, did you get any update from Seabee on binding H ST16?

Also, Thoneter above seemed to have valid question, has any one “tried” to bind a ST16 to 920 since 920 is listed in options? Sounds like responses are based on documentation and not testing.