PatR
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I think that’s pretty well offset by the secret “Hummingbird” mode in the 920. When activated speed and maneuverably are significantly augmented[emoji6]
Yuneecs Future in the US
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Ahhhh, Head Slap.... "Hummingbird"... no wonder I couldn't find it... I was looking for the Muhammad Ali "Light as Feather" mode.
PatR
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Perhaps they elected not to use that one as, being as cost conscious as they are, it would have required an additional "sting like a bee" function.I was looking for the Muhammad Ali "Light as Feather" mode.
Wait a minute. The squeaky wheel get the oil, or something like that. Yuneec has had my drone for repair since September 19, 2019. We're now getting terrible customer service from a company which used to put DJI to shame. I'm starting to wonder if the company is going to go bankrupt myself. I have a Thypoon Q500+ to play with while I'm sitting on my thumbs while the H Plus returns if ever. This group provides valuable information to me, whether it's complaints or praise. BTW, customers shouldn't have to shop all around the world for parts. That's what people with maker skills do, and yes we have a number of those on these forums.
PatR
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Unfortunately, where Yuneec is concerned, the squeaky wheels at this forum don’t get greased, just hosed. Yuneec has consistently ignored the members of this forum. Perhaps had they listened and responded accordingly things would be different today. Instead they chose to be an island.
So DJI, Autel, 3DR, Parrot, and Skydio all have a way to make their older products usable with remote ID?
I really find it difficult to believe that the FAA would ground all older aircraft for remote ID. I can see requiring manufacturers to have it on all newer products effective beyond some certain date.
Do you have a source for your information on remote ID requirements on sUAS aircraft?
I read this interview with Yuneec senior management and concluded that Yuneec is out to sea without a rudder...
www.helicomicro.com
HM : Will you still produce consumer devices?
WJ : We're going to take a step back on this category ...
JC : The observation is that the Baker, Amazon, MediaMarkt, etc. are looking for aggressive prices, large volumes, huge contributions to marketing, and it is very painful. They are one of the reasons why the mainstream UAV market is in trouble. Wenyan Jiang chose a strategy, she wants to return to more quality, not only in the product, but also in distribution and sales. What we are going to do now is a top-down approach. Not all retailers will be allowed to buy the H3, we will do what we call selective distribution.
We will resettle a base similar to that of photo specialists, people who can take care of the product, with knowledge of the technology, with the possibility of giving advice to the customer. We will sell exclusively to specialized resellers, so as to obtain price stability.
HM : Is this a long-term strategy?
JC : Yes. When we have established this base with the Typhoon H3 and Ion L1 Pro camera, we will move on to the next product, which will be positioned at a slightly lower price. We will use this platform to allow distributors to obtain sales volume. This strategy will keep us away from the brutal competition between no-name products.
HM: But you just unveiled Mantis G!
JC : The Mantis G is positioned more entry-level than the product we are developing for the next generation I talked to you about.
WJ : The number of products we sell is not huge, unlike some of our competitors. In fact, I do not like this kind of market saturation. I come from general aviation and the sky is a very important resource for me. I do not want to see him saturated. This can lead to security issues with general aviation. I tend to think that the price should be higher so that everyone can not buy for drones, for security reasons. That's why I see cooperation with Leica as not only a way to improve quality, but also to limit quantities. I think it helps the industry to grow healthy.
Interview Yuneec : stratégie, Leica, futur appareil, réglementation... - Helicomicro.com
J’ai eu l’opportunité de rencontrer Wenyan Jiang, la fondatrice et présidente de Yuneec, et Jörg Schamuhn, PDG de Yuneec Europa. L’entretien a eu lieu lors de la conférence de presse de lancement du Yuneec H3 et de sa caméra Leica Ion L1 Pro, à Wetzlar en Allemagne. Cette interview a été...
www.helicomicro.com
HM : Will you still produce consumer devices?
WJ : We're going to take a step back on this category ...
JC : The observation is that the Baker, Amazon, MediaMarkt, etc. are looking for aggressive prices, large volumes, huge contributions to marketing, and it is very painful. They are one of the reasons why the mainstream UAV market is in trouble. Wenyan Jiang chose a strategy, she wants to return to more quality, not only in the product, but also in distribution and sales. What we are going to do now is a top-down approach. Not all retailers will be allowed to buy the H3, we will do what we call selective distribution.
We will resettle a base similar to that of photo specialists, people who can take care of the product, with knowledge of the technology, with the possibility of giving advice to the customer. We will sell exclusively to specialized resellers, so as to obtain price stability.
HM : Is this a long-term strategy?
JC : Yes. When we have established this base with the Typhoon H3 and Ion L1 Pro camera, we will move on to the next product, which will be positioned at a slightly lower price. We will use this platform to allow distributors to obtain sales volume. This strategy will keep us away from the brutal competition between no-name products.
HM: But you just unveiled Mantis G!
JC : The Mantis G is positioned more entry-level than the product we are developing for the next generation I talked to you about.
WJ : The number of products we sell is not huge, unlike some of our competitors. In fact, I do not like this kind of market saturation. I come from general aviation and the sky is a very important resource for me. I do not want to see him saturated. This can lead to security issues with general aviation. I tend to think that the price should be higher so that everyone can not buy for drones, for security reasons. That's why I see cooperation with Leica as not only a way to improve quality, but also to limit quantities. I think it helps the industry to grow healthy.
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Just my prediction based on history and the way their company behaves.
And the FAA could care less if they ground drones if they can't be upgraded, in their mind it's a toy if it can't.
At the end of the day Remote ID is just a transponder. Newer drones will have it built in to where you can't take it out or turn it off. There shouldn't be any reason why we can't get an aftermarket transponder to put on your drone. Then if you get caught with it off you're screwed...
PatR
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Such a device is already available and in use. Utilities using drones for inspections provide a very small, battery powered ID/tracking device to every operator. The effective range seems to be very far as utility companies are provided a “live action” track of drone position and flight route along with a discrete identifier for every drone in use wherever they are.
They want to go upscale product with the absolute lousy Customer Support structure they presently have? That has got to be the most laughable strategy I have ever heard of. Their third party integration on the H520 is so far behind their competitors it is like a T-ball team trying to win a game against the World Series champs.I read this interview with Yuneec senior management and concluded that Yuneec is out to sea without a rudder...
Interview Yuneec : stratégie, Leica, futur appareil, réglementation... - Helicomicro.com
J’ai eu l’opportunité de rencontrer Wenyan Jiang, la fondatrice et présidente de Yuneec, et Jörg Schamuhn, PDG de Yuneec Europa. L’entretien a eu lieu lors de la conférence de presse de lancement du Yuneec H3 et de sa caméra Leica Ion L1 Pro, à Wetzlar en Allemagne. Cette interview a été...
HM : Will you still produce consumer devices?
WJ : We're going to take a step back on this category ...
JC : The observation is that the Baker, Amazon, MediaMarkt, etc. are looking for aggressive prices, large volumes, huge contributions to marketing, and it is very painful. They are one of the reasons why the mainstream UAV market is in trouble. Wenyan Jiang chose a strategy, she wants to return to more quality, not only in the product, but also in distribution and sales. What we are going to do now is a top-down approach. Not all retailers will be allowed to buy the H3, we will do what we call selective distribution.
We will resettle a base similar to that of photo specialists, people who can take care of the product, with knowledge of the technology, with the possibility of giving advice to the customer. We will sell exclusively to specialized resellers, so as to obtain price stability.
HM : Is this a long-term strategy?
JC : Yes. When we have established this base with the Typhoon H3 and Ion L1 Pro camera, we will move on to the next product, which will be positioned at a slightly lower price. We will use this platform to allow distributors to obtain sales volume. This strategy will keep us away from the brutal competition between no-name products.
HM: But you just unveiled Mantis G!
JC : The Mantis G is positioned more entry-level than the product we are developing for the next generation I talked to you about.
WJ : The number of products we sell is not huge, unlike some of our competitors. In fact, I do not like this kind of market saturation. I come from general aviation and the sky is a very important resource for me. I do not want to see him saturated. This can lead to security issues with general aviation. I tend to think that the price should be higher so that everyone can not buy for drones, for security reasons. That's why I see cooperation with Leica as not only a way to improve quality, but also to limit quantities. I think it helps the industry to grow healthy.
Do they really think someone will spend $2500 on a UAV when you have to schedule telephone support for the product and the support group is only on California time schedule?
I am sorry but the ploy of fewer and higher priced UAV’s because the skies are too crowded and therefore high security risks is just a lot of elitist Mumbo Jumbo. It would compare to there are too many vehicles on the road so we are only going to make vehicles that cost $500,000 to make the roads safer.
I visualized 2 new "quick profit" component offerings in the coming year(s) to sUAV, both improved upon visually and technically from current offerings.
1) Parachute systems, 2) Transponders.
I assumed a fancy mini transponder device was going to be some shop's new profit hardware... a small compact transponder, a few 3D printed mounts for some crafts and for others a fuselage fitting piece that blended in like a small bump top.
The Chutes in order to meet regs are a 1 on 1 only. I pondered if the transponders would be associated to the Unique Reg Number of craft or the Owner's number or ID? Example: If you have 20 platforms, are you adding 20 transponders or N transponders registered to your ID that you can move between registered platforms?
Not sure when started, but I beleive DJI newer platforms have this integrated, there's a few variables within the App on Remote ID options... and currently you can turn it off.
External to the transponders... the fate of Yuneec isn't strong; in USA market. The Prosumer models aren't selling... just not popular for many reasons. Their last 2 attempts to compete in the small compact drone market basically failed to launch, and the risky venture probably had significant revenue expended. The other major investment gamble was the H520G targeted to Govt, and that looks like it won't make it now with the ban on all Chinese manufactured sUAV. The USA market is one of their larger buckets and that bucket is drying.
Sadly it takes a strong commercial platform with high profit & popularity or a Prosumer platform(s) that sell strong volumes. One indicator are big box stores, and BestBuy regardless of opinion is a major distribution point for marketable Prosumer drones.... and in my work & pleasure travels when I stop at various BestBuys, the Yuneec displays are either removed or not eye catching... and the little DJI and EVO are clearly visible.
1) Parachute systems, 2) Transponders.
I assumed a fancy mini transponder device was going to be some shop's new profit hardware... a small compact transponder, a few 3D printed mounts for some crafts and for others a fuselage fitting piece that blended in like a small bump top.
The Chutes in order to meet regs are a 1 on 1 only. I pondered if the transponders would be associated to the Unique Reg Number of craft or the Owner's number or ID? Example: If you have 20 platforms, are you adding 20 transponders or N transponders registered to your ID that you can move between registered platforms?
Not sure when started, but I beleive DJI newer platforms have this integrated, there's a few variables within the App on Remote ID options... and currently you can turn it off.
External to the transponders... the fate of Yuneec isn't strong; in USA market. The Prosumer models aren't selling... just not popular for many reasons. Their last 2 attempts to compete in the small compact drone market basically failed to launch, and the risky venture probably had significant revenue expended. The other major investment gamble was the H520G targeted to Govt, and that looks like it won't make it now with the ban on all Chinese manufactured sUAV. The USA market is one of their larger buckets and that bucket is drying.
Sadly it takes a strong commercial platform with high profit & popularity or a Prosumer platform(s) that sell strong volumes. One indicator are big box stores, and BestBuy regardless of opinion is a major distribution point for marketable Prosumer drones.... and in my work & pleasure travels when I stop at various BestBuys, the Yuneec displays are either removed or not eye catching... and the little DJI and EVO are clearly visible.
PatR
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That’s pretty much how I see it.
As for transponders, there’s a couple U.S. manufacturers of high end small sized stuff. SageTech has been creating and making small sUAS transponders used in government equipment for years but the elephant in the room, growing fast, is Uavionix and their creativity with ADS-B retrofit equipment.
As for transponders, there’s a couple U.S. manufacturers of high end small sized stuff. SageTech has been creating and making small sUAS transponders used in government equipment for years but the elephant in the room, growing fast, is Uavionix and their creativity with ADS-B retrofit equipment.
Wissen: Was ist der U-Space für Drohnen?
Das Konzept des U-Space soll den Luftraum unter 150 m aktiv für Drohnen verwalten. Wir erklären dir, was das für Drohnenpiloten bedeutet.
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Yuneec im Interview: Kommende Produkte, Regulierung und UTM
Yuneec ist einer der führenden Drohnenhersteller am Markt. In diesem Artikel präsentieren wir euch ein exklusives Interview mit Yuneec.
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They seem reluctant to develop a remote idenfication system here in Europe too.
PatR
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There is zero profit to be obtained in having old models returned for retrofit with remote ID devices. Governments can mandate they be retrofitted before next use all day long but manufacturers can’t be required to perform such work for free.
That leaves owners to pay for retrofitting or shelving older units, with the obvious option of ignoring new laws that could obsolete their equipment.
As far as developing a remote ID feature itself, that won’t happen until an international standard such as used for full scale is implemented. You can’t hit a bullseye before you have a target. There’s also no reason to develop a solution until you have a definable problem.
That leaves owners to pay for retrofitting or shelving older units, with the obvious option of ignoring new laws that could obsolete their equipment.
As far as developing a remote ID feature itself, that won’t happen until an international standard such as used for full scale is implemented. You can’t hit a bullseye before you have a target. There’s also no reason to develop a solution until you have a definable problem.
This is how a black market is created. I can sell mine for more because it wont have remote ID on it.
Maybe I'll hold out on selling mine now till the demand for non remote ID capable drones starts up.
