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I’d agree, nice to see an attempt to make a better widget but I don’t see it being an improvement or an improved orientation to interface human to drone. Personally, I think it’s less optimal interface. Forced to use 2 hands constantly, loss in tactile feel and lack in easy, quick to locate separate flight & camera controls. I’ll normally purchase to “try”. this one hasn’t even enough interest to examine.
I purchased the Epson BT300 HUD style glasses, and it does work nicely... but needs improvement in Android CPU performance, wireless to RC and improved HUD resolution.
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It’s useable... just not as functional as desired for the high price item... but it’s new released brother BT-35e, HUD video stream only... no android processor may be a better option.
I believe the BT-35e can also be used with Yuneec ST16S, utilizing the HDMI out port. Basically gives you a 2nd screen in Ft of your eyes that you look through to see normal background. So you’re watching your aircraft in the sky, while looking through the aircrafts camera view in overlay.
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Both have more possibilities than a 2 handed stick.
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I’d agree, nice to see an attempt to make a better widget but I don’t see it being an improvement or an improved orientation to interface human to drone. Personally, I think it’s less optimal interface. Forced to use 2 hands constantly, loss in tactile feel and lack in easy, quick to locate separate flight & camera controls. I’ll normally purchase to “try”. this one hasn’t even enough interest to examine.
I purchased the Epson BT300 HUD style glasses, and it does work nicely... but needs improvement in Android CPU performance, wireless to RC and improved HUD resolution.
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It’s useable... just not as functional as desired for the high price item... but it’s new released brother BT-35e, HUD video stream only... no android processor may be a better option.
I believe the BT-35e can also be used with Yuneec ST16S, utilizing the HDMI out port. Basically gives you a 2nd screen in Ft of your eyes that you look through to see normal background. So you’re watching your aircraft in the sky, while looking through the aircrafts camera view in overlay.
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Both have more possibilities than a 2 handed stick.
How are you liking your HUD in the field? I’m thinking about getting one myself, but saving up for an IR camera.
SARS has been using the HUD... EPSON and DJI did a great job promoting the HUD and its usefulness.
It’s a well thought out kit, especially when you add the additional darker shade clips. I wear glasses, so probably not as nice compared to no-glasses.
Overall, it has some getting used to and playing with the transparency layer. The one thing I dislike is the large cable from glasses to RC mounted module... BT35e may be smaller cable for HDMI only than my BT300. For my work flow, I dislike the cable and needing to remove HUD glasses each time I set the controller down, before they get ripped from my face. Plus, I find it short usage due to eye strain working to focus on both background & FPV visual.
Overall, better than a iPad in sunlight. But doesn’t beat the super clear visual of a Hoodman funnel.
I purchased used on eBay, wouldn’t buy at retail. I’m waiting to see if BT300 Owners can purchase a BT35e interface module without the glasses.
IR vs BT300, you’ll get your worth & return much quicker with a IR camera than the BT300. eBay price is normally around $500-600.
Overall, it has some getting used to and playing with the transparency layer. The one thing I dislike is the large cable from glasses to RC mounted module... BT35e may be smaller cable for HDMI only than my BT300. For my work flow, I dislike the cable and needing to remove HUD glasses each time I set the controller down, before they get ripped from my face. Plus, I find it short usage due to eye strain working to focus on both background & FPV visual.
Overall, better than a iPad in sunlight. But doesn’t beat the super clear visual of a Hoodman funnel.
I purchased used on eBay, wouldn’t buy at retail. I’m waiting to see if BT300 Owners can purchase a BT35e interface module without the glasses.
IR vs BT300, you’ll get your worth & return much quicker with a IR camera than the BT300. eBay price is normally around $500-600.
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I haven't tried any device of this type, I can't talk first hand, but I do see the functionality. It's not just about complying with the regulations regarding line of sight, is that you don't have to look away from the drone, that you don't have to look at the controller and therefore I think it's a breakthrough, you can concentrate on where the aircraft is.
You're not the first person I've heard it from, that they feel uncomfortable using it, that it's hard to get used to it. I think it's like the first time you use FPV, you put on your glasses and you immerse yourself in a world in which your brain, here I think is the key, it's not accustomed, with 3D glasses the same thing happens, many get dizzy and lose their balance, with these glasses as you see the real world I think that minimizes that problem. Once you've done that, your brain understands what it's seeing and is able, through training, to control the situation is when it becomes very useful. Isn't it the same with these glasses?
Making a combination of both devices? With the BT-35E you don't have to take your eyes off the drone, you have all the information in front of your eyes and you don't have to look at the transmitter at all. Using the FT Aviator you don't have to release a stick or move your hands from position to use another control of the transmitter, or even look at the transmitter so you don't get confused and press another control by mistake. I repeat, I haven't tried any of the devices, but on paper, in theory, I think it would be a breakthrough.
I've been looking for a little information and looking at prices, the BT35E is more expensive than the BT300 or BT350 versions????. How is it possible if it doesn't have a controller and all it does is a bypass? It doesn't make sense
You're not the first person I've heard it from, that they feel uncomfortable using it, that it's hard to get used to it. I think it's like the first time you use FPV, you put on your glasses and you immerse yourself in a world in which your brain, here I think is the key, it's not accustomed, with 3D glasses the same thing happens, many get dizzy and lose their balance, with these glasses as you see the real world I think that minimizes that problem. Once you've done that, your brain understands what it's seeing and is able, through training, to control the situation is when it becomes very useful. Isn't it the same with these glasses?
Making a combination of both devices? With the BT-35E you don't have to take your eyes off the drone, you have all the information in front of your eyes and you don't have to look at the transmitter at all. Using the FT Aviator you don't have to release a stick or move your hands from position to use another control of the transmitter, or even look at the transmitter so you don't get confused and press another control by mistake. I repeat, I haven't tried any of the devices, but on paper, in theory, I think it would be a breakthrough.
I've been looking for a little information and looking at prices, the BT35E is more expensive than the BT300 or BT350 versions????. How is it possible if it doesn't have a controller and all it does is a bypass? It doesn't make sense
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Apache Helicopter pilots use something similar but for only one eye, they have visual in one eye and info for the other eye.
I would prefer this method on the BT35E, so then you remain with in FAA compliance.
I would prefer this method on the BT35E, so then you remain with in FAA compliance.
You're looking through the FPV window pane, an and have both background and FPV views all the time so you're well within FAA compliance. The FPV pane is about 2/3 the background view and you can adjust the transparency. The other part unlike helmet visor HUD systems that you can see with in several videos are the glasses are very narrow and people look over or under them very easily for a more clear open view.
You have a full view of either and it's more of a brain - vision exercise to view both simultaneously opposed to one or other. It is very nice visually but it gives eye strain while learning. I've found while playing / exercising with it... say a roof or gutter inspection... you see the depth & contents of gutter with FPV view and also see your clearance from roof & tree limbs with the background view... forcing eye to accept one over the other is the training and eye strain exercise.
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That's interesting, I haven't looked lately but thought the BT350 and BT35e were close to same cost. The BT300 is the older model but mainly just a frame difference and the one DJI directly worked with Epson.
I've worn both the BT300 and BT350 / 35e frames. I like the older BT300 frame better, it's smaller and fits my head a little more secure.
They all use the same connector, so they can all use the Android controller or BT35e HDMI module.
Shelling out $800-900 for visual is pricey... and it appears that about 40-50% of the DJI flyers retain them and the other half sell them not able to adjust to the eye training.
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Regarding having the viewer only in one eye or both, in the search of google images that you have put appears an image of the helmet of the Eurocopter Tiger helicopter. In this case are two viewers that I think would be the same case as the BT-35E. The image in both eyes and are also transparent. It's a more modern system than the one used by the Apache, which I think is the first system we all remember.
In that video, appears (a simulation) of what you say, the superimposed image is a 1/3 of the image? or 2/3?, the rest of what you see is directly the image of the landscape that surrounds you.
You that have tried it, I imagine that at first bad, but then when you have become accustomed you do not see it useful? Do you see that it is functional because it implies having consciousness at all times where the drone is physically located? Obviously when it is at a distance where you see it directly, at more than 300m you don't see it, you don't have the feeling of depth nor do you know if it is in front of or behind a tree in case of descending. But when it's at a comfortable distance it's not comfortable?
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Yes & No
It has it's strengths, since the background is simply looking through the normal sunglass lens, you have the same eyesight vision as when you normally look into the sky.
By the way... You are correct, all the videos are attempting to provide a simulation of the HUD & Background, I haven't seen one that provides the true 1st person view. Mainly due to the ability to capture streaming video overlaid onto normal eyesight would be difficult.
The transparency / opaque density determines how easy you can see through the FPV overlay view to the background natural view. The darkness of the clip-on sunglasses determines how easy you see the FPV overlay. If you use a low tint clip-on and turn up the opaque overlay, you basically get a FPV without detail blocking the background view. This equates to needing 3-4 tints to handle the various day's brightness. The kits arrive with 2 tints and includes a accessory sheet with additional tints & hoods. The "hood" is a plastic cap that blocks light between your forehead & top of glasses, works nicely but removes the ability to tilt head down and look over the top of glasses.
You do gain a excellent FPV view, but as suggested, you don't have a good feeling for the 3D dimensional space around you... similar to any FPV flying. Looking over or under the glasses for confidence check is comforting to verify prop clearance, small branches, etc.
One other small minor negative, which may be my own problem due to wearing glasses. But the corners of the FPV / Android screen can be blurred and require moving glasses (BT300) slightly to see the small icons in the corners. Keep in mind the BT300 replaces your RC attached iPad and it becomes everything: Console on-screen values, Map View, and the FPV view. Seeing the little icons in corners is important. On the BT35e this wouldn't been as critical since you're viewing a 2nd screen and still have your primary between your thumbs.
For Ag or open air Mapping, it would be a comfortable FPV view. But then again, is that really needed since these are normally flown autonomously.
As mentioned above, my BEST, most accurate view is attaching a Hoodman's Hood 2-piece cone over the screen. I get perfect night quality full brightness & detail on-screen. But it does require looking into the cone and looking up at the sky.
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I'm thinking, I don't know, but we're comparing a $1000 vision system with helmets that will be worth at least 10 times as much. These combat helicopter pilot helmets will not have a luminosity sensor and will automatically adapt the luminosity to always have a correct image of the environment and the OSD?
Fully correct, there is no comparison, the Israeli compnay that makes our HUD system for military helmets and sighting systems makes superior products well exceeding simple eye HUD glasses. Multiple features, sensors and performance are the best technology can provide.
The cost of a modern HUD helmet is easily above $100k, and the newer models are above $300k.
Other than the rudimentary similarity of the HUD system, there is no comparison. Their own subdivision has started making bicycle fully wireless multi-bike sensor HUD Sunglasses for display of GPS & Human performance matrices for Racing and that HUD display is an small example of their capabilities.
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Back to the little drone.....
Now that another VBlogger Matti Haapoja reviewed the Autel vs M2P the Autel forum static are gaining and new media are being uploaded daily. The majority of members in their forum are young. DJI should sweat a little, because any drone company will probe into the success of their drones, quality and software, some of members that used to be on here then, are on there now, as well as in DJI M2P forum.
Yuneec needs to kick it up from 0 to 100!
Now that another VBlogger Matti Haapoja reviewed the Autel vs M2P the Autel forum static are gaining and new media are being uploaded daily. The majority of members in their forum are young. DJI should sweat a little, because any drone company will probe into the success of their drones, quality and software, some of members that used to be on here then, are on there now, as well as in DJI M2P forum.
Yuneec needs to kick it up from 0 to 100!
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That's called youth and vitality. Yuneec forums tend to be..a..bit older. I'm one of the older btw.
Administrated a few forums over the years and anything geared for under 30 y/o has to be heavily moderated. Flame wars and energy can erupt from seemingly nowhere. But, that energy feeds more energy and products which capitalize on it can position themselves in for quite a lucrative ride.
Agreed, although ruling leans more 1 opinion rule. On 2-3 separate posts, I made a comment... that had several additional following comments from others, leading into a good discussion. Came back a few days, and all absent... asked Admin, his response was “ s### happens, repost it”. Hmmm?
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